EDUCATIONAL INCUBATION & HATCHING CHAT THREAD, w/ Sally Sunshine Shipped Eggs

[chicken hawk 33]

I have a question what age chicks sell best because that is what I am hatching this batch for to sell

 

[kajira]

do you have a decent relationship with any of these other vets? Maybe call them, explain the situation and they would prescribe what you need.

I would try giving her the one bolus dose, which is around 47 pills. If she acts good then I would keep her there till you get something else worked out. If it isn't enough try upping the dose.

I'm calling around and so is my vet - she said she might have a vet who'd sell her a bottle, to give to me. But it's one of those "under the radar" situations. ^.^ If I could safely go to mexico I'd just drive over there and buy a bottle OTC. ^.^ But, I don't have a passport, and it can take hours to get there and back and my husband won't let me go.. Especially since he can't feed the baby since he lacks milk. ROFL!

(And, he wouldn't allow me to take the kids across the border, it's just not safe for a person who can't even speak spanish I guess!)

 

[kajira]

I ordered 2 1lbs bags of aspirin powder for horses, and paid the 2 day shipping costs on it, to get it here by friday.

That should buy us enough time, if we have too - I just have to be careful to make sure she doesn't get injured and bleed while on it. ^.^

 

[minihorse927]

I'm calling around and so is my vet - she said she might have a vet who'd sell her a bottle, to give to me. But it's one of those "under the radar" situations. ^.^ If I could safely go to mexico I'd just drive over there and buy a bottle OTC. ^.^  But, I don't have a passport, and it can take hours to get there and back and my husband won't let me go.. Especially since he can't feed the baby since he lacks milk. ROFL!

(And, he wouldn't allow me to take the kids across the border, it's just not safe for a person who can't even speak spanish I guess!)

wish I knew of a way to get the pills to you!

 

[minihorse927]

I ordered 2 1lbs bags of aspirin powder for horses, and paid the 2 day shipping costs on it, to get it here by friday.

That should buy us enough time, if we have too - I just have to be careful to make sure she doesn't get injured and bleed while on it. ^.^

 

[DwayneNLiz]

I have a question what age chicks sell best because that is what I am hatching this batch for to sell

day old or point of lay

 

[minihorse927]

I ordered 2 1lbs bags of aspirin powder for horses, and paid the 2 day shipping costs on it, to get it here by friday.

That should buy us enough time, if we have too - I just have to be careful to make sure she doesn't get injured and bleed while on it. ^.^

I have banamine paste if it would help you out. Vet just sells it out to me to keep around. Don't typically use bute cause we have an ulcer prone stallion.

 

[DwayneNLiz]

I ordered 2 1lbs bags of aspirin powder for horses, and paid the 2 day shipping costs on it, to get it here by friday.

That should buy us enough time, if we have too - I just have to be careful to make sure she doesn't get injured and bleed while on it. ^.^

i wonder if i could get some from my vet and help you out
they offered it to me last fall, but i dont need it yet

 

[ChickenCanoe]

The toads are not mutts, they were especially designed to be what they are. I want the APA to recognize them as a breed soon.

How long have you been working this project? How is the heritability and repeatability of their traits? i.e. skin color, leg/beak color, feather color, comb, earlobes, shape, egg color/size, etc.
What steps do you have to take to get them recognized?
I was under the impression that there needed to be a set number of breeders in the US and they had to be shown for a certain number of years in sanctioned shows.
Freedom Rangers aren't recognized. (likely because they're too new, a hybrid and only have one breeder in the country) Neither are Cornish X. The Cornish is recognized in 4 colors, the Plymouth Rock is recognized in 7 colors, but their cross isn't recognized because it is a hybrid for the meat market.
Egg hybrids like Hy-Line aren't recognized because they fill a commercial niche. The APA is more for heritage breeds. Very few, if any breeds have been added to the SOP since the 1950s.
We have been trying to get Penedesencas recognized but it is a daunting process.

no but won't they dry out

Depends on how much weight each egg loses.

I did open the dead one, it looked like it died in the 1st week? Barely any bill, huge eyes, legs and wings just nubbies.

There are around 17 things the University of Florida has identified that can kill an embryo in the first week of incubation.
Eliminating those that aren't likely to be the cause, you can select possibilities from the following list.
Eggs stored too long on under improper temperature
Eggs damaged in transport
Old breeders
Embryologic development accidents
Inbreeding/chromosome abnormalities
Nutritional deficiencies, vitamin A, E, biotin, riboflavin, pantothenic acid, linoleic acid, boron, copper
Drugs, toxins, pesticides
Contamination
Pre or early endoderm formation

There are others but those could affect one egg and not the others.

What's good thermo/hygrometer

Thermometer - either a Brinsea Spot check http://www.brinsea.com/p-394-spot-check-digital-incubator-thermometer.aspx (accurate to +/- 0.2F)
and/or a http://www.thermoworks.com/RT301WA (accurate to +/- 0.9F)
The brinsea is more accurate but it only measures from 90F to 104F. Other than that it just reads with an L or H without knowing how high or how low.
The thermoworks one measures from -40F to 302F.

Hygrometer - use a scale instead, it is more accurate to determine actual moisture/weight loss in the egg rather just the RH the egg has experienced.
The AMW-1Kg on the following page would be good for eggs. http://www.americanweigh.com/index.php?cPath=102
I haven't used a hygrometer in years. I weigh the day I collect/set and again at weekly intervals then adjust the amount of water to compensate if weights are over/under the linear graph.

An accurate hygrometer is more expensive than a good thermometer.
This is the cheapest I found with 3% humidity accuracy but the thermometer isn't that accurate. http://www.thermoworks.com/Pocket-TH-RT819
This one comes with a 10' probe and is accurate to ±3% RH at 77°F. http://www.thermoworks.com/Thermo-Hygrometer-RT817E Again, I wouldn't rely on the thermometer part.

This is a great data logger that is very accurate for both

• Temperature Accuracy to ±0.9°F (±0.5°C)
• Humidity: ±2% RH @ 77°F (25°C) (10 to 90% RH)

and stores 8,000 readings so you know the ranges of temp and humidity the eggs experienced.
http://www.thermoworks.com/ThermaData-HT

What should humidity because without water it runs at like 40 percent

With the above hygrometer, you'll never know. I have one with a remote I use to monitor conditions in one of the coops. The thermometer is fairly accurate but sometimes the hygrometer will read 99% for months. Right now it reads 80% but it is actually 64% out there.

One week 'till lockdown

My next batch hatch in 6 days.

Yep, that says $260. It's a little expensive, but for a good dog......

There are a lot of good mutts in need of a good home.

Rehoming/adoption fees are extremely important. They may seem like a lot of money but it's to protect the pup from falling in to the hands of people who run dog fights. Those people snatched up any free or cheap dogs they can get their hands on.

Agreed.

I also see that it helps peope "decide" whether they can afford to properly care for an animal... easy to take a cheap dog but my rescue baby was just at the vet with a bill just short of $400. he has been healthy so far-his pancreas just flared up. Mre $$ tomorrow and IV fluids and an ovenight stay if his labs arent better

I know I can't. Keeping a dog is WAAAY more expensive than when I was growing up with dogs. I'd like a dog, (other than my wife's) but I just can't afford it. Then there's all the time it takes to train one. I'll do without.
None of the dogs I had growing up cost 400 in their entire lives other than for food.

She was 12 1/2. She was acting totally normal yesterday, running outside, racing for breakfast and howling like usual. She was old but never showed any signs that she might be leaving us soon. She was scheduled to have a tumor removed. It's possible that she had cancer or that her body was shutting down (she had accidents often) but she hid whatever it was very well.

Are you getting a necropsy so you know what killed her. Since she was acting normal and just died, I would sure like to know what happened.
Whenever I take a chicken to the vet school for necropsy, there are always people dropping off dogs.
You have 3 labs in PA.
41

Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania State University, Animal Diagnostic Laboratory
Wiley Ln
University Park, Pennsylvania 16802
Phone: 814-863-0837
IAV-A, ND,
42

Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania Veterinary Laboratory
Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture
2305 N Cameron Street
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania 17110-9405
Phone: 717-787-8808
IAV-A, CSF, CWD*, ND, FMD, PRV, SCRAPIE, IAV-S*
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Pennsylvania

University of Pennsylvania,
School of Vet Med, New Bolton Center, PADLS
382 West Street Rd
Kennett Square, Pennsylvania 19348-1692
Phone: 610-444-5800
IAV-A, CWD*, ND, SCRAPIE

You are a far better person than I. I cannot even pretend to skim read, I out and out skipped the last umpteen pages. I hope I did not miss anything juicy..



I toe punched for the first time and moved yesterday's hatch.

Nice pictures.

Indeed! That is a phrase I have learned here!

People live for Friday making Wednesday hump day - getting over the hump. All down hill from here.

Way you are doing that to them? This wound can be an entry platform to some nasty pathogens to your chicks body.

To identify individual birds without leg bands or wing banding.
I opt for leg bands.

I am doing this to keep all the breeds separate, and to keep the lines straight. Otherwise I would need to set up 9 different brooders, run 9 different heat sources, and 9 different grow out pens.

I already have 15 breeding pens.


I sell some of these I need to be able to tell Toads from White Legbars at 2-5 days of age.

I needto tell Cuckoo Maranm, Dominique and barred rock chicks apart with 100% certainty. So I have to take the risk. It was a hard thing to decide to do, I only did it after talking to a lot of breeders and seeing their results. None of them mentioned infection by anything as a problem.

I have tried fingernail polish, bands and none of them work well.

I've never heard of infection either. One can disinfect the wound and put the chicks on clean bedding which shouldn't be an issue. They get worse damage free ranging on rough terrain. And they heal so fast.
The reason I haven't done it is I like to know the age and number of a bird from a distance.
Lots of breeding pens is still a necessity. How many breeds are you working with?
I only have 5 breeding units and a couple other coops that can function as such but I'm only working with one breed.

I'm still using leg bands and will probably continue to do so. I have about 12 different colors of zip ties. by combining them on both legs I can determine nearly unlimited numbers of parentage. I do set an alarm on my phone to remind me to check and replace them. I switch to numbered bandettes when they are big enough to keep a #7 on.

They do tend to lose them so I have to check them often to see if any are missing so I can replace them. I wonder if a dab of superglue would keep them on.

 

[chicken hawk 33]

day old or point of lay

not a couple days old