EE with brown eggs?

[Jferlisi]

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Take it from experience BYCers. Illia knows more than me too. We both have Ameraucanas (legit) and we have a good background knowledge of the breeds. I still highly disagree.

Well when im told that i need to do my history and i have, i find it rude. I may not have as many post as you guys do or exp with them, but i have done my homework and lots of it, that includes documentaries, books and internet.

 

[M To The Maxx]

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Take it from experience BYCers. Illia knows more than me too. We both have Ameraucanas (legit) and we have a good background knowledge of the breeds. I still highly disagree.

Well when im told that i need to do my history and i have. I am stating the face. What i am saying is FACE.

Yeah whatever. The truth is in front of you and you won't except it.

 

[Jferlisi]

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Well when im told that i need to do my history and i have. I am stating the face. What i am saying is FACE.

Yeah whatever. The truth is in front of you and you won't except it.

Well when the facts this expert is even say are wrong then what would you like me to do? Bow down before them and forget what the real experts and scientist have said?

 

[Illia]

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The Ameraucana was created from the Quechua, the Araucana was not.

And yes, my statement does make sense. Dogo Argentinos were made from Danes as well as many other breeds. Danes, however, are an unrelated, pure breed, and were not made from Dogos, thus having NO dogo in them. What's so hard to understand about that?

If I made a Cookie, and sugar was an ingredient that made it, does that mean sugar has cookie in it?

See where I'm getting?

 

[Jferlisi]

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The Ameraucana was created from the Quechua, the Araucana was not.

And yes, my statement does make sense. Dogo Argentinos were made from Danes as well as many other breeds. Danes, however, are an unrelated, pure breed, and were not made from Dogos, thus having NO dogo in them. What's so hard to understand about that?

If I made a Cookie, and sugar was an ingredient that made it, does that mean sugar has cookie in it?

See where I'm getting?

I see what you mean but what im saying is yes the dane would be related cause the dogo would have dane blood in it. (super off topic lol)

 

[Dray67]

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YEA! That brings it down to earth!

 

[cubalaya]

i am done with them! this argument is on about every thread. araucana, ameraucana, americana, easter egger, mutt, quechua. after having them and breeding them for years, i have decided that i dont like blue or green eggs. my ameraucanas dont lay brown or pink eggs. i am selling my entire flock of easter eggers/ameraucanas/mutts and getting some heritage delawares. keeping my cubalayas and black australorps. i like brown eggs and the small tinted eggs with huge orange yolks that i get from my cubas. this breed hasn't been around long enough and the standard color ameraucanas came from mutt easter eggers.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

For what it's worth, I do think the Ameraucana site is incorrect that hatchery EEs are mutts. Araucanas were developed FROM hatchery EEs that a few people really liked the look of better than any of the other EEs that were floating around, and they managed to get an extremely consistent bird within what would be an impossibly short amount of time if they were working with mutts.

Several of the hatcheries - Meyer and Murray McMurray are two I am aware of - got their breeding start (or whoever they contract their EE eggs from got their breeding start) from the quechua fowl that were brought up to North America in the first half of the 1900s. Meyer says (I have a good friend who had this exact conversation with them) that they do NOT mix their EEs with anything else, that ALL of their EEs lay green eggs, and that they are all dark/partridge colors.

That makes their EEs pretty dang close to what we'd call a purebred - since there are no closed stud books and no pedigrees in chickens, visual is all you get. If they reliably pass along a body type, comb, color, shank, and egg, that's all we ask any poultry purebreds to do.

There are also hatcheries, and individuals, who define any mutt with chipmunky colors as EEs, no matter if they have the right comb, shank, egg color, body type, or anything else. Those kind of assertions muddy the waters for everybody else and give rise to the idea that every EE is a mutt. EEs are actually quite valuable to a whole bunch of breeding programs, and their eggs are commercially valuable for the same reasons that Marans eggs are (novelty of color equals higher demand). So I think it's a bad idea to say that every EE is a mutt and every mutt is an EE.

Down in my brooder I have seven Ameraucana mixes (dad was a blue Ameraucana, moms were EEs). They hatched from blue eggs, not green. Every single one has feathered in solid blue or solid black, they have slate (not willow) legs, they have pea combs and nice leg separation. I have plans for the pullets among them, but I'm not going to call them EITHER Ameraucanas OR EEs when they're grown. They're too "improved" for me to be comfortable calling them EEs and they're not going to breed true to color and so cannot be Ameraucanas. They're headed for my Leghorn roosters to create a terminal cross of heavy-laying blue eggers, which will ALSO be muffed/bearded and pea-combed but will be neither EEs nor Ameraucanas. I have too much respect for what EEs are and have been (and could be) to call any cross an EE.

 

[abhaya]

lol you all really get eggcited about this. EE are cross breed chickens that carry the blue egg gene it can come from ANY blue egg chicken. you have a perdy bird. if she has less blue egg gene in her her eggs will be more brown. And there is Nothing wrong with mixed breed chickens. Theyy are not for the show ring they are for laying eggs or meat birds!!!! Or just simply affordale pets for people.

 

[BlacksheepCardigans]

There's no such thing as "less blue egg gene." A VERY few genotypes are cumulative (as in one copy makes something slight, another copy makes it more, third copy makes it even more, etc.) but the blue egg gene is not one of them. A chicken either has it or he/she doesn't.

Also, there aren't a whole bunch of blue egg chickens. Very few, in fact. Manx Rumpies, Araucana, Ameraucana, EE, Legbar. And the gene for all of them probably came from the same place, originally.

If you look at the history, EEs (the ones descended from the original flocks) are no more crossbred than any other.