Egg Yolk Peritonitis Prevention or Management

The terms salpingitis, peritonitis and internal laying are sometimes used interchangeably. Salpingitis is an ecoli infection that is seen in high production birds when the cloaca becomes "loose" and feces are sucked back into the oviduct, setting up an infection; as you know, in birds, infection solidifies into a cheesy mass and egg yolks back up behind that. EYP is when yolks are deposited in the abdomen and set up infection. That and salpingitis basically can result in the same thing, solid masses of infection mixed with the egg material. Whatever you call it, it is a chronic condition. If you catch an infection very early, extremely hard to do since you may see no symptoms for ages, you may be able to kick it out with antibiotics. However, most folks aren't aware it's happening till they realize the abdomen is full of fluid or masses. Whatever term you use, the result is often the same, masses build up, hen starts to lose weight, becomes weak, then dies.
 
Thanks for all the information and kind words. So does it seem to you that EYP often results from internal laying? Internal laying happens - and then the infection is EYP? That's probably what happened with Casino? She was "pretending" to lay for awhile, which is why I suspected something was wrong. She normally had about one clutch a month and hadn't laid for two months when I first took her to the vet this time.

If there are masses like the one in your picture - can you feel it? The vet only said fluids - nothing about masses but maybe you can't feel it if the fluids are there?

I am thinking about letting Casino go soon. I'm hoping today she will continue to eat a little more. Before when she got ill I would let her out in the morning and then catch her again in the evening to take home with me for the night. But she was getting so difficult to catch it wasn't very feasible. But maybe that is the best thing. Or maybe let her out for a short period and keep my eye on her so she doesn't disappear on me.

We just arrived here but she's still in the cage. The door is open and she hasn't come out yet. Still sleepy I guess.
 
Oh I didn't realise she was that unwell - poor girl, maybe it would be a bad idea to just let her out? Before the vet drained the fluid he could feel some lumps in Diana - when he drained some he could feel harder ones too. If there are no lumps maybe she'll absorb some of the fluid soon, someone on the forum told me Baytril makes hens sterile too so that will stop her laying more eggs hopefully. Don't give up hope yet - see how she is today.
 
hanks for all the information and kind words. So does it seem to you that EYP often results from internal laying? Internal laying happens - and then the infection is EYP? That's probably what happened with Casino? She was "pretending" to lay for awhile, which is why I suspected something was wrong.

Honestly, I'm not sure which comes first, but it really doesn't much matter when all is said and done. I think it can happen in several ways. You can't tell what is going on inside your bird so you rarely catch the infection at the beginning.​
 
Mitsfordsmom, thank you so much for this thread, and I'm so sorry for your loss. You shouldn't feel guilty -- you did everything you could to make her comfortable, plus gave her a happy, loving home after she went through an appalling experience. It's so hard that birds (like many other prey animals) show no signs of illness until it is usually too late. Though maybe that's a blessing, since often it seems like the stress of being put through a hard course of treatment ends up being worse than what caused the condition to begin with.

I'm dealing with this same problem in my flock leader right now and am feeling awful that I hadn't put two and two together. (She's a red sex-link, bred for mass egg production...) She stopped laying months ago (though sometimes she would sit in the nest box like she had to lay, but then wouldn't produce anything), and then one day I saw that she had left what looked like a mass of ovarian tissue in the nest box. Yet she behaved normally for several more months, with her usual spirit and energy -- you would think that passing ovarian tissue would be quite painful! Within the past week or so she has sort of been slowing down but I had attributed that to the heat and the hurricane. Then 2 days ago I noticed that she was waddling instead of running like the others and when I felt her abdomen, it was very distended. I can't feel masses inside her, but she's been pooping the weird green liquidy poops and what looks occasionally like egg material, yolk or albumen. She is eating much less (usually her crop is ginormous at the end of the day) and tonight seemed to not want to be fussed with. I know I'm going to have to say goodbye soon since I don't want her to be in prolonged pain, but have told myself that as long as she's interested in treats and going outside, has a sparkle in her eye, and occasionally throws a peck at the others to remind them who's boss, that she still wants to be here. When she loses that sparkle, it will be time.
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Hugs to everyone and thank you for all the advice and info!!
 
I'm so sorry - it all sounds so familiar. I can't believe before Diana got ill I'd never heard of EYP now my heart sinks when I read a message like this. BUT - I have read of hens who seem to get by for months or even years like this so keep hoping for now - at least you have a chance to spoil her as I've read one of the symptoms is sudden death. I agree birds in general seem to go down hill very quickly, I guess that's what makes it so hard. I know what you are going through and I'll be thinking of you - keep us posted.
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Hi again.

I just came home from work - am pretty sad and worried because I had to leave Casino out tonight. Today she stayed in most of the day - except I let her out in the morning in an enclosed area for a little bit. But she really doesn't like it in there. So I felt I had to let her be out and about. I decided to do a supervised release - let her out but keep an eye on her. So in the late afternoon we went out and I followed her around for a good hour or more. The property is on a mountainside and we started at the bottom. She usually hangs around the very top area - although she knows the whole area as she comes down to eat sometimes if we don't go up and she is starving. Anyhow, it took her an hour to finally make it up to the area she usually hangs around in and then her rooster boyfriend finally found us. But then he suddenly flew up into a tree and she quickly followed and went all the way up. I guess it was quite late by now - getting dark - and she was going to bed already. She does sleep in those trees at night normally. I waited a few minutes but she didn't come down so I had no choice but to leave her there. A little while later before it got completely dark I went up and checked and she was still in the same spot. (it must be about 30 feet up in the tree).

I guess she'll be safe for the night as this is what she does - but I still hated leaving her there. I had planned to let her be out and about for an hour or two and then catch her again to keep her inside for the night. Today she ate a little bit - mostly papaya and then whatever she picked up while she was outside. Plus I gave her a little bit of the liquid food this morning.

Ugh - I just hope she'll be ok. Guess I will try to get up there first thing in the morning and find her. Maybe I should try to get up there before it gets too light out....
 
Hi, I was wondering how you and Casino were. That's so nice that her friend came to get her - it's great she still has the energy to get so high. I know how worrying it is for you but think how natural this is for her and how happy she must feel being in her own space. I can't begin to imagine what you are going through, you probably felt like sitting under the tree for the night! Try to get some sleep and keep your fingers crossed for the morning. Good Luck, xxxx.
 
Thanks so much. I've just been on the computer since I got home reading another person's blog about chickens. I know at least she is in her normal natural habitat. While I was waiting to see if she would come down I really did think - I wish I could stay under this tree all night. It's a very mosquito ridden area though and so very miserable for me to be in. Pretty much the jungle. But the chickens like it.

I'm pretty sure she'll be ok for the night - but that doesn't keep me from worrying.

how are the rest of your girls doing? All well I hope.
 
I've just been out with them (it's the morning here) and they seem a little mixed up with one of the group missing, Diana was the biggest and quietest and was not the boss but she seemed to hold the group together in a way I didn't realise at the time. Nancy is the boss and Debo used to hang around with her and Decca (the smallest) with Diana. Then when Debo was a bit off colour she started hanging out with Diana and Decca stayed with Nancy. Now Debo is back on form and she wants to be with Nancy and is chasing Decca away a bit - I've been spending lots of time with them trying to keep them together so Decca doesn't feel isolated. I guess it will take a bit of getting used to for them, I'm glad I'm getting three more when I get back from holidays as I think they need to form a new gang! Although I still wish I wasn't going on holidays - I never thought hens would take over my life like this! I named them after the Mitford sisters - that's why they have funny names. I bet Casino is having a lovely time listening to all the familiar noises around her as she snoozes. xx
 

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