Feeding your Dog Raw Meat and Bones

[subhanalah]

The raw meaty bones diet is my preference.

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

I'm not a vet but went to school for it before I decided it wasn't right for me. They have no schooling on the diet of a dog besides what the dog food company tells them. I have no doubt that they're not a fan of the raw because it's taken money from their pockets. They don't sell raw food and if the dog is healthier, it doesn't need to be seen by the vet. So when the bagged food industry came to be, everyone's dogs started living 6 years longer? I don't think so.

I have real world experience with this diet on a lot of dogs. My own and clients. I've never seen salmonella or any other serious thing. Never. This is a rare happening. They must've really not cared for sanitation.

If you went to vet school, you would know vets DO in fact have classes on nutrition. In fact, it's a big part of the curriculum. So much of the health of an animal is dependent on nutrition. Just to be able to begin treating some conditions means the individual must have a solid background in it. Many schools also have clubs devoted solely to nutrition. I can tell you we've had multiple lectures on pros and cons of BOTH raw and commercial.

I'm not sure why you think vets make money off of food. This is just not true. We are taught to recommend a variety of diets to help the owner choose what is best for their pet.

If you look at the studies mentioned in my previous posts, you'll see salmonellosis can be shed from healthy animals in clean, lab conditions. Gastric enteritis is quite common in dogs, even without pre-existing conditions. It can be treated quite successfully but can still result in a costly vet visit. Salmonella can also infect humans and other animals (poultry, cats, etc) This is why RESEARCH is the key.

 

[knittychickadee]

I am interested in the Raw diet for dogs - hubby says no way, but I think it would work well. Does anyone feed the dogs animals that they raise for this purpose?

K9Dave, it kinda sounds like you just feed meat, bones and some oils. Oh yeah, you mentioned hearts, kidneys and livers. Do you ever feed the skin and fur/feathers? how about feet and heads left over from butchering?

Yes, my dog will eat the entire chicken, legs head etc included except for the intestines. I keep some whole butchered just for the dog, pretty much just drain the blood in a killing cone and freeze whole. I usually pluck older birds but younger smaller ones will leave the feathers on. She also gets all the extras (heads, organs, feet, blood) from the ones butchered for people. Whole rabbits fur and all. I try to keep the base of the diet red meats since they are more 'species appropriate' and nutrient dense, but I like the ability to feed a whole animal once in a while too and chickens and rabbits are an easy way to do that.

 

[K9Dave]

I was wondering about this too. Your diet seems really bone heavy?

With nothing else added probably 70/30 just on the chicken bones. I add straight chicken thighs to increase that percentage as well as the fish and whatever meat I have available.

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[K9Dave]

Yes, my dog will eat the entire chicken, legs head etc included except for the intestines. I keep some whole butchered just for the dog, pretty much just drain the blood in a killing cone and freeze whole. I usually pluck older birds but younger smaller ones will leave the feathers on. She also gets all the extras (heads, organs, feet, blood) from the ones butchered for people. Whole rabbits fur and all. I try to keep the base of the diet red meats since they are more 'species appropriate' and nutrient dense, but I like the ability to feed a whole animal once in a while too and chickens and rabbits are an easy way to do that.

Sounds like where I am headed. Thanks for the info. My chickens are still young.

I do wish that I could afford better meat than chicken for my dogs. They always get part of my hunting and fishing bounty. I haven't found beef anywhere here that's in my budget. Where are you getting yours? I was told the other day that the Greyhound racers were buying from some livestock company south of me so I'll be looking into that.

I have trained and competed with Working K9's for over 30 years and it's amazing how much healthier my dogs are than a lot of others in that world. They can flat out, out perform dogs on a Commercial Bagged Diet.

How do you deal with their poop? You can just crush it under your boots but it's piled up a little. Water doesn't seem to pulverize it into dust. Needs some force.

 

[subhanalah]

If you went to vet school, you would know vets DO in fact have classes on nutrition. In fact, it's a big part of the curriculum. So much of the health of an animal is dependent on nutrition. Just to be able to begin treating some conditions means the individual must have a solid background in it. Many schools also have clubs devoted solely to nutrition. I can tell you we've had multiple lectures on pros and cons of BOTH raw and commercial.

I'm not sure why you think vets make money off of food. This is just not true. We are taught to recommend a variety of diets to help the owner choose what is best for their pet.

If you look at the studies mentioned in my previous posts, you'll see salmonellosis can be shed from healthy animals in clean, lab conditions. Gastric enteritis is quite common in dogs, even without pre-existing conditions. It can be treated quite successfully but can still result in a costly vet visit. Salmonella can also infect humans and other animals (poultry, cats, etc) This is why RESEARCH is the key.

many dogs have died from salmonella from packaged dog food.

The curriculum is indeed created by corporate entities. The studies are based on their views. Their recommendations are to feed their food for dog ailments, which were caused by their foods to begin with (allergies, kidney failure, etc.)

The majority of dog foods on the market leave dogs smelly, flaky, itchy and overweight. This is what grains do to the system.
Grains make up the majority of all prescription diets. They still use preservatives banned by the FDA for human consumption.

Vets make a LOT of money for selling the company's product to their patients. The pet food companies gain the trust of young vets with their free dog food and grants in college then the cut on the profits for every unsuspecting victim that buys into the whole flim-flam.

Vets that don't sell these prescription diets have a tough time scraping by, typically.

 

[K9Dave]

If you went to vet school, you would know vets DO in fact have classes on nutrition. In fact, it's a big part of the curriculum. So much of the health of an animal is dependent on nutrition. Just to be able to begin treating some conditions means the individual must have a solid background in it. Many schools also have clubs devoted solely to nutrition. I can tell you we've had multiple lectures on pros and cons of BOTH raw and commercial.

I'm not sure why you think vets make money off of food. This is just not true. We are taught to recommend a variety of diets to help the owner choose what is best for their pet.

If you look at the studies mentioned in my previous posts, you'll see salmonellosis can be shed from healthy animals in clean, lab conditions. Gastric enteritis is quite common in dogs, even without pre-existing conditions. It can be treated quite successfully but can still result in a costly vet visit. Salmonella can also infect humans and other animals (poultry, cats, etc) This is why RESEARCH is the key.

Dog food companies provide the Nutrition classes. Are you telling me that vets DONT get kickbacks from the food they sell in their offices?

Along with research, good common sense is powerful. The species eats a certain diet in the wild, they should continue to eat it. Just that easy for me. What did people ever do before Commercially cooked and bagged food?

 

[K9Dave]

many dogs have died from salmonella from packaged dog food.

The curriculum is indeed created by corporate entities. The studies are based on their views. Their recommendations are to feed their food for dog ailments, which were caused by their foods to begin with (allergies, kidney failure, etc.)

The majority of dog foods on the market leave dogs smelly, flaky, itchy and overweight. This is what grains do to the system.
Grains make up the majority of all prescription diets. They still use preservatives banned by the FDA for human consumption.

Vets make a LOT of money for selling the company's product to their patients. The pet food companies gain the trust of young vets with their free dog food and grants in college then the cut on the profits for every unsuspecting victim that buys into the whole flim-flam.

Vets that don't sell these prescription diets have a tough time scraping by, typically.

Very well said.

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

many dogs have died from salmonella from packaged dog food.

The curriculum is indeed created by corporate entities. The studies are based on their views. Their recommendations are to feed their food for dog ailments, which were caused by their foods to begin with (allergies, kidney failure, etc.)

The majority of dog foods on the market leave dogs smelly, flaky, itchy and overweight. This is what grains do to the system.
Grains make up the majority of all prescription diets. They still use preservatives banned by the FDA for human consumption.

Vets make a LOT of money for selling the company's product to their patients. The pet food companies gain the trust of young vets with their free dog food and grants in college then the cut on the profits for every unsuspecting victim that buys into the whole flim-flam.

Vets that don't sell these prescription diets have a tough time scraping by, typically.

The curriculum is not created by corporate entities. I'm not sure where you got this information from. Many lectures were chosen by students. I've been to excellent raw diet lectures held by the school. These lectures presented both pros and cons of the diet so that we could make a decision for ourselves. The lecturer was a proponent of raw diets.

Free food or any item for that matter from commercial companies has been discontinued. I have not seen any free food or free item other than some pens. This was discontinued for the very reasons you stated, which I totally agree with. Many of my colleagues and I are not in this profession for the money, nor do I want to be persuaded by companies through free products.

I am presenting another side to the raw diet argument. I am not against raw diets but I feel owners need to hear both sides of the story, just as I would present all options for any medical issue so the owner can make the right decision for them. Vets are guides, and should provide information needed to help owners. I'm sorry if you have had negative experiences that caused you feel this way towards vets.

 

[K9Dave]

The curriculum is not created by corporate entities. I'm not sure where you got this information from. Many lectures were chosen by students. I've been to excellent raw diet lectures held by the school. These lectures presented both pros and cons of the diet so that we could make a decision for ourselves. The lecturer was a proponent of raw diets.

Free food or any item for that matter from commercial companies has been discontinued. I have not seen any free food or free item other than some pens. This was discontinued for the very reasons you stated, which I totally agree with. Many of my colleagues and I are not in this profession for the money, nor do I want to be persuaded by companies through free products.

I am presenting another side to the raw diet argument. I am not against raw diets but I feel owners need to hear both sides of the story.

They absolutely do need both sides but it needs to be facts.

It's fact that these methods are used by Commercial dog food companies. You said before that it wasn't and I know it to be true. Now it's in the past is hard to believe. Just like college atheletes aren't getting paid. Ha. These huge companies didn't stop this strategie. They're not gonna lose all that money wen they grown it like this for so long. You're on the other side of students that choose another way. The other method of "Nutrition Classes" still exist. I did go to Vet school and KNOW this to be fact. I try to speak in terms if my experience and common sense and not let corporate America be my education. This is just me.