Fenbendazole, Panacure, Safe-Guard oral..update internal layer pg 3-4

[ND]

And I've checked EVERYWHERE...even emailing the company. (no reply)
As far as I can tell... it's just not being made anymore. I'm HOPING that it's just a manufacturing issue, given the buy-out...but it's been a LONG time. And, if I'm not mistaken, the buy-out was by the company that owns Equi-max... which does tapes...but does NOT get encysted strongyles like Quest does. I liked the effectiveness and inclusiveness of Q+, even if we had to be mindful of dosing on smaller/weaker rescue horses.

 

[dawg53]

Hahahaha! You've got me cracking up here lololol!! Glad I could help. I dont have horses, but I've used those wormers on my chickens awhile back (before I knew about valbazen) to treat a case of tapeworms that one of my hens picked up. It was this past spring when we had wild birds passing through pooping out of the trees...I'm sure that's how she got the tapeworms. I treated all of them for tapes 2 weeks apart and havnt had any issues since. Good luck and take care.

 

[ND]

Can I ask why you prefer Valbazen as opposed to Z-gold or others that get tapes?
And... available at TSC?
I've dewormed, but not with something that should target tapes...and probably should. Just didn't have it on hand when I wanted to deworm. Figured I'd pick up some Z-gold (or actually Equi-max, since I prefer that in horses over Z-gold)... but if Valbazen is superior for chickens somehow-- tell me!

 

[dawg53]

It's my understanding that valbazen stays in their system longer than other wormers. It kills ALL TYPES of worms that chickens can get. Again, jeffers livestock has it.

 

[zowieyellowflame]

So the consensus is..... just one dose? I don't have access to anything but this drug.
The vet that sold me the drug is not a chicken vet, I was lucky he even sold it to me. But he did print off some info for me..... someone on the happyhenhouse doses for 5 days. I don't know if I should give it to her this morning or not. I guess it wont hurt to wait until the evening.

 

[dawg53]

IMO follow the vets dosing recommendation. Tough to overdose a chicken on fenbendazole.

 

[zowieyellowflame]

I just checked on her this morning, she is in rough shape. Huddled in the corner, lots of diareah in her pen. I will try to get her to drink water and eat some egg right now. Is diarreah a sign that she did have worms I wonder?

 

[ND]

It can be...or it can be that the dewormer upset her gut flora...

If she had a severe infestation of worms, especially round worms, you'd see them start to pass in the poop. Some of the other types are harder to see, but round worms look like fat spaghetti noodles/light earth worm looking things.

 

[LastChanceChickenDance]

If you give just one dose of Fenbendazole it's not going to kill all the worms. This is what causes parasites as well as bacteria to develop resistances to the drug. That's why we have drug resistant bacteria in humans. People start to take the antibiotic, they feel better and so don't take the full regimen. Then over time the bacteria develops a resistance to the drug because it didn't kill ALL the bacteria off. THE SAME GOES FOR WORMERS FOR ANIMALS!!!

GIVE A FULL 5 DAYS of Fenbendazole. Then wait 2 weeks and do it again to get the new parasites that have hatched from the eggs in their system. Fenbendazole doesn't kill the parasite eggs only the parasites themselves.

We just finished the 1st 5 days of treatment for our chickens for gapeworm. It was diagnosed by our vet via a stool sample that we took in when we noticed our rooster coughing larval looking things up. Luckily none of our flock had progressed to the gaping.

Here's what she gave us:

Panacur. It's looks like thick milk.
100 mg/ml (100 milligrams of the drug per 1 milliliter of solution)
Dose each chicken with .25 ml per pound of body weight. She gave us one of those little TB/insulin syringes with .25 ml marks. They hold 1 ml total.
Do it for 5 days. In 2 weeks do it again for 5 days.

She said if your chicken weighs 3.6 pounds to round up to 4 lbs. That would be giving that chicken 1 ml of the solution. Its safe, so that's why you can round up to make sure the chicken gets enough of the medication. In the UK they give much larger doses.

We had one chicken that looked poorly after her 2nd dose. We went ahead and continued to dose her and she was just fine the next day. I don't think you should skip a day. You want those parasites dead. I wondered about skipping a day, too, but decided we needed to keep up the treatment. It is true that some of the chickens will die from the dead parasites. That's a risk you must take. Thank goodness we spend a lot of time with our chickens and saw the problem early.

Hope that helps.

 

[LastChanceChickenDance]

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If your chicken has a lot of diarrhea she may have cocci. Not sure if Fenbendazole treats cocci. The only way to know FOR SURE is with a stool sample.

I'm sorry to hear that your chicken is worse. It's truly stressful to have a sick animal.