Florida welfare drug testing

[chickened]

I know what you are saying about the slippery slope but eating and exercise can be done responsibly. Inmates on death row were eating to get fat so they could not be hanged as they would be beheaded (cruel and inhumane )the same could be said for some on welfare or maybe they just don't care as it is free money. I suppose a case by case review would help, I could weed out the abusers and so could the system if they really wanted to. The best way to perpetuate a program is no increase it's members.
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This gets into a really gray area for me. You're fat, *perhaps* because you overeat or don't exercise, so why should you get benefits? But now we could really run with it. You have cancer because you smoked, or chose to work in a factory, you're in a wheelchair because you weren't wearing your seatbelt in that car accident, etc, etc. Is the point whether someone is at fault for being disabled, or whether they, regardless of cause, are still in fact disabled?

 

[arabianequine]

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This gets into a really gray area for me. You're fat, *perhaps* because you overeat or don't exercise, so why should you get benefits? But now we could really run with it. You have cancer because you smoked, or chose to work in a factory, you're in a wheelchair because you weren't wearing your seatbelt in that car accident, etc, etc. Is the point whether someone is at fault for being disabled, or whether they, regardless of cause, are still in fact disabled?


Anyone that I know that has went to jail and yes sad to say I know some people that been there family included.

and spent any time there comes out way heavier then they went in?

 

[chickened]

It hurts but I agree. never thought about skinny lazy people (my step brother).

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That is true but I have seen a lot of skinny people who are lazy as well. I'm just saying it would be difficult to sort out overweight people based on appearance. There are no definative tests for some of the conditions which cause obesity.

 

[Laurajean]

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Anyone that I know that has went to jail and yes sad to say I know some people that been there family included.

and spent any time there comes out way heavier then they went in?

Lack of exercise? What do they get, like an hour a day to walk around a yard?

 

[arabianequine]

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Anyone that I know that has went to jail and yes sad to say I know some people that been there family included.

and spent any time there comes out way heavier then they went in?

Lack of exercise? What do they get, like an hour a day to walk around a yard?

I guess, I would not know

I thought when on kitchen duty they pigged out or something.

 

[saddina]

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This gets into a really gray area for me. You're fat, *perhaps* because you overeat or don't exercise, so why should you get benefits? But now we could really run with it. You have cancer because you smoked, or chose to work in a factory, you're in a wheelchair because you weren't wearing your seatbelt in that car accident, etc, etc. Is the point whether someone is at fault for being disabled, or whether they, regardless of cause, are still in fact disabled?


Jeez, I guess i could use my 1 working limb and become an arm wresteling champ! The winnings would pay my way off SSD! Do you honestly think that you'd be able to "tell" by looking at someone? I'm perfectly able to sit up in a chair and talk intellegently, so while i may not "look" disabled, I certainly am not about to go jogging either.

 

[whiteflare]

Wow.... er, I only just got here, but I think I've heard about this before. I'll have a bit of catching up to do before I can join in......

 

[chickened]

I did a job for a guy that is paralyzed from the neck down a diving accident and he is not obese and would love to work a job. I really don't think you or the guy I described have anything to worry about unless you are using illegal drugs from what I read about the new law. I would investigate the ones that were suspicious and if they were abusing the system they would be gone but I am also a firm believer in the fact that if you hire me to do a job you also give me authority to accomplish that job meaning I would not take the job unless I had the power to remove the abusers from the system.
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Jeez, I guess i could use my 1 working limb and become an arm wresteling champ! The winnings would pay my way off SSD! Do you honestly think that you'd be able to "tell" by looking at someone? I'm perfectly able to sit up in a chair and talk intellegently, so while i may not "look" disabled, I certainly am not about to go jogging either.

 

[stormylady]

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Been reading this post and was just waiting for someone to bring this up. I totally agree with this poster, I totally agree with RANDOM drug testing for all State and Federal funded programs. I personally know alot of people on food stamps some are very good people some are not! I know alot of people on ssi some are good folks and alot of them are faking to get SSI so ya I think the random drug testing would weed some of these folks out. Drugs are not the only way or reason people are abusing the system. Think of the girl that has 2 kids and no job but has a boyfriend, possibly a father to the kids living with the girl that has a very good job but they wont get married and they hide the fact that he is even there because they could lose the medical and foodstamps benefits, not to mention the nice car they driving and that really nice home their living in. And in the Aid office itself you see people walk in, with gold around their necks, rings on their hands and in designer cloths and they get aid???? Meanwhile, the Man and Wife with 2 kids, working their tails off to make ends meet can't get it because they make over the designated amount by 5 lousy bucks and their limits aren't even close to what it takes to make it for a family of 4, and they were being honest about their situation. So go ahead and test get some of the dead weight out of the assistance programs and maybe they can help someone who really truely needs the aid!

 

[Two Creeks Farm]

Your SSI payout is based on your last 6 months earnings of the last recorded work year. You could make 200,000 a year your entire career and then only make $30k the last 6 months you work and thats what your SSI is based on. SSI/SSDI is based on you paying in to the program so I dont see the connection for drug testing as it relates to programs that utilize tax payer money for programs that are based on giving money out through programs such as food stamps and welfare.

IMO, the government has created the welfare state and it was never designed to be big daddy. Time to cut the strings......rely on family and the community (I know, there isnt much family or community left)....maybe a bigger problem to tackle, but with Liberal programs run amuck we will never be the country we once were