Florida welfare drug testing

[redhen]

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I really agree with these statements above.


While I don't fully agree, I think there were some valid points:

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I don't think there is a 100% perfect answer. I deal with weighing pros and cons of situations all day long with work, and then again all day long moderating this forum!

IMO, I think the pros, especially in areas where there may be a lot of abuse for the system, this is a good step. Some schools have metal detectors, some don't. Maybe areas where there is abuse you have this program and when the numbers increase, you reduce or eliminate the program.

The problem is limited resources. I'd love to see the people who are "clean" and deserve help get more at the expense of those that are addicted to drugs taking advantage of the system. From what I understand, most states have help programs for drug addicts to get clean. IMO, not getting welfare until they come clean is a win-win!



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This is a whole 'nother discussion, but you're preaching to the choir on that one! If it was a perfect world, there would be very clear and easy ways to determine who really "needed" the money and who doesn't.

I have friends who are getting support and, IMO, shouldn't be. They aquired nice things because they were living outside of their means. During "years of plenty" they ate drank and became merry, but when famine came they were like the grasshopper who didn't prepare! They lived better than I did / do and should reap what they sow (or didn't). That's why I give all my charitable help-the-poor money to my Church. I figure if they screw up who they give it to, that's on their heads and between them and God, but I'm off the hook!

Regarding this kind of "invasion of privacy" being the beginning of the end of privacy as we know it. IMO, that is a super extremist point of view and could be applied to everything government related. Government in moderation isn't bad. We just have to be careful about where that line of moderation is. In some cases, it should be extended, in others, maybe not so much. I think this whole "GIVE THEM AN INCH AND THEY WILL TAKE ALL YOUR PRIVACY!!" is EXACTLY like the argument I hear every month from cities that don't want to allow chickens: "If we allow chickens, then what!?!?! Pigs, sheep, goats, cows!?!? It will not stop with chickens, so we can't allow people to have them!!"

Well said, Nifty.

X2!!

 

[arabianequine]

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SSI and SSA are different. SSA you pay in or your spouse if you get a widows pent-ion.

SSI is like welfare but long term and for disabled only qualify.

 

[Nifty-Chicken]

Independent of my opinion above, a friend sent me this and I found it interesting:

Rick Scott turned over the company he co-founded to his wife when he became Governor. That company handles drug testing. Guess which company won the contract to do the drug testing?

http://www.frequency.com/video/alan-grayson-s-as-if-state-has-been/3968416

Not sure how much of that is true or twisted, but it is interesting.​

 

[BrattishTaz]

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Not sure how much of that is true or twisted, but it is interesting.

I think most of us here have figured out Rick Scott is a bit of a weasle.

He destroyed the high speed rail plans we had voted for. The federal money was taken away from us and split up among other states. I don't think he will be serving a second term. The drug testing law seems to be one of the few things people support.

 

[arabianequine]

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Got to get them off the drugs before they can handle a job.

 

[aggie9296]

I'm just waiting for the teachers, mental hospital workers, jail employees and other government workers that are being laid off to revolt. They might just try to string him up. You got what you voted for. "Need to cut spending, but not if it affects me."

 

[Laurajean]

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SSI and SSA are different. SSA you pay in or your spouse if you get a widows pent-ion.

SSI is like welfare but long term and for disabled only qualify.

I would not say that SSI is like welfare. Or SSDI for that matter. They are based on what you PAID IN already during your working years, not just an amount arbitrarily handed out.

 

[arabianequine]

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The tests for public assistance applicants will be administered just like pre-employment tests. You can close the door and there is a sink just outside of the bathroom.

You hand the cup to the assistant and wash your hands. There is no reason for anyone to feel as if they are being treated as a criminal.

If you can close the door, the test only proves you know someone who is not on drugs, or where to buy clean urine. I have not had a closed door test since 1984 or 85... Some monitors avert their eyes, some don't. Do you want the gov wasting more money for worthless test?

A lot of times the mirror is a two way mirror. They also check temp and other things of the urine. They can usually tell. If it is too clean, to cold, to hot, etc.

 

[chickenbottom]

one thing that ticks me off is if someone is severly over weight because of themself they get disablity/food stamps because of their weight. i dont understand why this is. can anyone explain that to me? ide really like to know

edited to add im not trying to offend anyone. i just wanna know why

 

[BrattishTaz]

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You can't exclude overweight people from getting benefits. Fat people have to eat too. Ideally, their physician would refer them to a dietition to work with them on eating healthier.