Found out today I have Type 2 Diabetes

[Wifezilla]

There is nothing wrong with carbs from a small amount 100% whole wheat bread or pasta. You need good carbs. It is white flour that is very unhealthful.

If you are young and healthy, this may be true. When you have DIABETES, your ability to process the amount of carbohydrates in bread, pasta, etc is GONE. There is virtually no difference between white bread and wheat bread when it comes to insulin and blood sugar effects. Any carbs you get should come from leafy greens, full-fat dairy, meat and the occasional strawberry.

2 slices of bread (whole wheat OR white) is the equivalent of 1/4 cup of table sugar eaten with a spoon.

Whole grain oats, quinoa, brown rice, and raisins are all loaded with sugar. Cranberries, if NOT sweetened can be fine, but unless you are buying them dried at the health food store, they usually are sweetened. Almonds are fine...and I actually use almond meal instead of wheat flour.​

 

[rebecca10782]

I did not mean this as a diabetes specific diet. I was giving tips on a very healthful diet in general. The basic idea still applies. A diabetic still should not eat anything processed, should eat a huge amount of every vegetable that their body can take, fruit that their body can take, drink a lot of water daily, not eat store bought animal products and not eat meat. I'm not an expert in diabetes, but I can guarantee that if anyone is eating CHEESE, SAUSAGE and WHOLE MILK often, they are going to clog their heart with all kinds of junk within no time. They might not be making their diabetes worse, but they are risking heart disease. Eating this stuff that harms our bodies, processed foods, high fat animal products, etc. is what brought on all this disease to begin with.

 

[Wifezilla]

Not eating meat is very bad advice. Meat does not give you heart disease. Meat contains all the vitamins and nutrients a human body needs with the exception of vitamin C. Meat is what the human body evolved to eat over millions of years. What makes processed meats bad for you is not the meat in it, but the fillers like corn, wheat and soy.

Cheese and whole milk are very nutritious foods. The fat is milk does not cause heart disease. It never did. In fact, without the fat in the dairy and other foods, many of the vitamins in foods can't be absorbed because they are fat soluble. (So eating a salad with fat-free dressing means you will not get any vitamins out of the greens in our salad)

Neither meat nor dairy (unless you are using fat-free dairy) cause heart disease. Heart disease shows up in populations when they switch their diet from meat, fish, dairy coconut and other natural foods to flour, rice, corn and other grains and processed foods.
http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/characteristics.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/traditional_diets/native_americans.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/07/inuit-lessons-from-arctic.html
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm

The diet recommendations over the last 30 years have made the population more unhealthy, more likely to become obese, more likely to develop type 2 diabetes. While we cured many communicable diseases, we threw the baby out with the bath water and got a bunch of chronic issues instead.

Back when our great-great-grand parents ate fresh eggs, bacon grease and drank milk fresh from the cow, they were not fat, didn't die of heart attacks, didn't get type 2 diabetes and didn't get fat.

I spent 5 years as a vegetarian. It was the time in my life when I gained the most weight and developed high blood pressure.

 

[rebecca10782]

Sure

Do you also believe smoking isn't harmful?

 

[Wifezilla]

I have spent the last 2 years researching where the current medical advice comes from. Not just what you read in the headlines or the 1 hour of nutrition training that doctors usually get.

A good start is "Good Calories Bad Calories" by Gary Taubes. It traces medical research, medical headlines and where it all went wrong.

Your best guide to health is to study what humans at over millions of years of evolution and what lead to thriving populations and what lead to collapsed and unhealthy populations.

 

[rebecca10782]

My mother has been a nurse for 50 years and a diabetic educator for a good part of that. You are telling me that she has no idea what she is talking about, which is insulting. She has a masters degree in public health. I am sure she is more knowledgable on the subject. Clearly we have opposite views. I suggest that you state your opinion and let others state theirs without constantly quoting and correcting them.

 

[KrisRose]

Wifezilla is right- Telling diabetic people to not eat protein and fats is bad advice. Telling them to eat as much fruit and vegetables as possible is also very bad advice. My friend Amy was shocked when she gain weight on her all fruit diet

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Protein and fats are harder to break down and take the body longer to process- therefore help to stablize blood sugar.
Fruits and vegetables are mother natures version of fast food. Yes they are good for but you have to be careful of the high sugar content in both.
As in all things- moderation. Except, of course, Jim Beam and Cherry Vodka

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Now I don't have a big degree in diabetics. But I have worked with my mother and her problem for over 20 years and if it was just up to the advice she got from doctors and nurses she would be dead by now. Now I am not bashing nurses but they have alot on their plate. One cupcake tried to give my mother an insulin shot when she had been admitted to the hospital because of insulin shock. Good thing she has two daughters who work in the medical field.
Kudos to Wifezilla for reseaching food choices and coming to the conclusion she has. Her diet is too restrictive for my mother and most average Joe's to comply with it. When people fail at a diet they usually give up. This is why people have to find their own way, so to speak, with what will work for them.
I am stating MHO.

Edited for profanity.

 

[Wifezilla]

I know from my personal experience and the experience of my family members that current dietary recommendations are unhealthy. The evidence supporting this is coming out and an increasing rapid pace. Here are a couple to get you started...

http://www.examiner.com/x-798-Denve...08m9d28-Are-diabetics-suffering-for-no-reason
http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/flat-tummy-or-why-your-dietitian-is-fat.html
http://www.examiner.com/x-798-Denver-LowCarb-Examiner~y2009m1d9-Low-carb-best-for-diabetics

Following the food pyramid, cutting fats and eating plenty of whole grains helped my develop obesity (280lbs), hypertension and the beginning symptoms of type 2 diabetes. Eliminating carbohydrates and resuming eating healthy natural fats has eliminated my hypertension, reversed my pre-diabetes symptoms, and got my weight down to 207 with my goal weight being 190 (I am 6' tall).

As for your mom, she is simply following what she was taught. I am not insulting her, just pointing out the flaws in what her teachers told her.

Time will tell the whole story. Over the last 30 years, instances of diabetes, heart disease and obesity have sky rocketed. That is a giant clue that something is wrong with current medical advice.

if it was just up to the advice she got from doctors and nurses she would be dead by now.

Current medical advice killed my grandfather, led to dementia in my grandmother, caused another grandfather to have both his legs amputated, and now it is slowly killing my dad. And my other grandmother dropped dead of heart disease 2 days after getting a clean bill of health from her doctor.​

 

[rebecca10782]

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I never told her not to eat protein or fat. You need both to live and stay healthy. You need them from the proper sources. Meat and whole milk have protein and fat but they also have terrible stuff in them, unless you are killing and milking your own cows. There are a lot of better places to get both protein and fat. I did not tell her to literally stuff herself with fruit and vegetables. I was telling her that she should eat a wide variety of vegetables that she can eat as a diabetic. The same goes with fruit, to eat much less and eat only what she can eat as a diabetic. No one should eat a tremendous amount of fruit. It is her job to calculate what she is taking in. I am giving her tips not a meal plan. And yes, there are a lot of uneducated nurses out there. My mother is a very well educated and caring nurse. The family has been vegan for 10 years, my mother is 70, my father is 86, they are both still working and exersizing daily and are in excellent heath. So, a vegan diet clearly does not only not hurt anyone, but is very healthful.

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

I know when I was first diagnosed with diabetes (type one) the doctors were ALWAYS on my case about eating meat. I wasn't a vegetarian, but I didn't really like meat either.

Meat can be a very healthy part of a diet, but you really have to use common sense. I try to chose white meats over red meats as they are leaner and generally healthier. (Of course, my favorite type of red meat is beef jerky, and that's not all that healthy for you either! LOL) I usually eat lots of turkey, chicken, and even tuna. Fish is very healthy for you, but I don't like it so I rarely eat fish.

Dark green veggies are the best for you. Fruit is good for you as well, but I try to stick with things like bananas and apples over oranges. Oranges tend to have a lot of sugar in them. However, when it comes to choosing fruit over ice cream or cookies, the fruit is a sure winner.

There are a lot of alternatives to bread. As I said before, I eat wraps or pita bread. I still eat pasta and rice, but usually no more than a cup full. Generally a cup ful of pasta or rice is about 40 or 50 carbs. I try to keep all my meals to 60 carbs. So a piece of chicken and some veggies with a little pasta or rice is a perfect meal. I usually always have the measuring cups out when I am cooking because that really helps to get the right portions.

Really you can eat everything you used to eat, just in moderation. It's not so much cutting things out of your diet that is the key, but rather eating correct portion sizes.

It will take a lot of trial and error really. Everybody is different and no matter what anybody here tells you, you'll have to do a lot of investigating for yourself. Make sur eyou ahve a glucose monitor and for the first few months I would suggest testing before you eat and two hours after you eat. That way you can figure out what raises your blood sugar and what will keep you down at a good level.

Be careful with alcohol though. I'm not sure if it is the same for type two diabetics, but I know whenever I drink alcohol my blood sugar tends to shoot up real higher and then drops drastically. It is always best to eat something fatty and carbohydrate filled before drinking. Even if your blood sugar is elevated while you are drinking, it's better than the severe drops you can experience. Its kind of a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation, but its a small trade off! I usually just stay away from alcohol as much as I can.