French frogs

[Ravynscroft]

You should be proud of yourself!     Now c'mon, Spice, heal baby!  

Nervous after shakes now, lol...

 glad it went well!  

Best wishes for Spice, you gave her the tools for survival.  The rest is up to her.  Be sure to keep her head up so that it does not come back up and down her airway.

Done deal... been keeping her at 45° angled already due to head wound...

 

[Ravynscroft]

Thank you, everyone... really do appreciate the support, help, opinions, thoughts and all...

 

[WalnutHill]

The Hatching

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Man, this walking thing is TOUGH!

 

[Ravynscroft]

The Hatching

(accompanied by your favorite horror movie theme music) Man, this walking thing is TOUGH!

That is awesome!!!!

 

[FridayYet]

Hope it all works out, Rav.

I hope no one minds if I chime in. I'm just hoping to learn here so certainly not saying what is right or wrong as I've thankfully never had a critical bird.

Since it's unlikely a duck in this condition will absorb fluids, and giving them will naturally stress Spice, isn't it better to tube feed knowing that is much more likely to achieve the desired result? Only stress her once by tubing and be done with it?

20cc's of vite loaded water in her now... I know she needs the fluids before food... might try some food later, but first try tubing was successful...
Nobody will jump you for asking questions or stating your opinion...

It took me twice though... but got it... I think as long as liquids are going in one way or another, that is what counts...

I think SQ is quicker to hydrate the body, but I'm not sure...

I'm coming from the perspective of treating critically ill human patients, not fowl. If the body is so traumatized it cannot absorb SQ fluids, then it will not absorb fluids through the gut, either. That's why tube feeds in the ICU are only done at a very slow rate to keep the intestines from dying, not to nourish the body. Resuscitation is done through the veins, and if not, the into the bone marrow in an emergency. You never fill up the stomach with saline to try and save someone.

I know in other animals, SQ is recommended for dehydration since the gut shuts down and if you tube in water to the stomach, it will just be thrown up, increasing the risk of aspiration.

But like I said. I know very little about ducks, I'm not a vet, and the way I treat my animals is based on knowledge of people - which I'm sure could be way off base at times. It's a good question and I probably humanize my answer since I would rather have some fluids injected under my skin than have a tube shoved down my throat.

 

[FridayYet]

Tubed... it's what I had supplies for... scared chitless the whole time, but it worked...

Nice work!

 

[WalnutHill]

I'm coming from the perspective of treating critically ill human patients, not fowl. If the body is so traumatized it cannot absorb SQ fluids, then it will not absorb fluids through the gut, either. That's why tube feeds in the ICU are only done at a very slow rate to keep the intestines from dying, not to nourish the body. Resuscitation is done through the veins, and if not, the into the bone marrow in an emergency. You never fill up the stomach with saline to try and save someone.

I know in other animals, SQ is recommended for dehydration since the gut shuts down and if you tube in water to the stomach, it will just be thrown up, increasing the risk of aspiration.

But like I said. I know very little about ducks, I'm not a vet, and the way I treat my animals is based on knowledge of people - which I'm sure could be way off base at times. It's a good question and I probably humanize my answer since I would rather have some fluids injected under my skin than have a tube shoved down my throat.

Home IVs are not practical for most of us. I don't think I'd try it, even if I had the right tools for the job.

I've tubed two birds in order to maintain hydration, not recover from critical dehydration. As long as the kidneys are still working, fluids will help them keep working. Core body functions should still process the fluids and keep her hydrated and alive even if tubed into the crop to release into the stomach. One was on a Narri tom whose leg I had to amputate, and the other on the hen who was nearly killed by a hawk.

While I have not intentionally administered fluid SQ, I have had chicks and poults hatch with excessive SQ fluids in the neck area, and they look miserable. I too am humanizing my answer since they don't know any better.

 

[FridayYet]

I totally understand where you are coming from, and in no way was suggesting Ravyn shouldn't tube Spice or should administer SQ fluids. I was more trying to answer Debs question and explain my thought processes, not suggest home IV's to anyone.

 

[Ravynscroft]

Good points, both of you...

I will say, she was eliminating every few hours so internally things were functioning...

Also, her webs and legs just warmed up...

 

[FridayYet]

Good points, both of you...

I will say, she was eliminating every few hours so internally things were functioning...

Also, her webs and legs just warmed up...