Fuzzy's Farm

[fuzzybutt love]

ya, that's why i don't take meds. Too much diabetes in the family...... sorry about the room, lol. I bet your terror is looking on in interest, too My room is still trashed bc i am trying to weed through my books, so made a mess trying to clean a mess, ha!

Lithium is natural, they banned it for a while being sold without a prescription, but it's back to being ok to buy over the counter. I hope they don't do that with the other stuff, too! I don't like going to docs unless i have to. My family don't react well to pharma meds, we do better with the vitamins and herbs. Now you got me wondering, have to check out these things!

I still like my stress tea with the eulethro/ (siberian ginsing) in it. I am going to order some siberian ginsing soon so i can be on a set dose, to see if it works long term or if it's just the comfort of the relaxing moment that is doing it for me.

Other things i have tried is 5-htp and L-tyrosine, i wanted to try L-tryptophan too but it's a bit pricey at $20 a bottle! the htp works on increasing seratonin, the tyrosine helps to regulate dopamine. The tyrosine can trigger the mania, though. The tryptophan is supposed to help with getting to sleep, with nightmares, and with the bipolar too! Some insurances cover that one and even st john's wart. My mom said st john's wart can have bad side effects, though so i didn't try that one.

What i found odd was how many bi-polars had nightmares! I would never have thought to talk about that with a dr!

 

[Gigiintheforest]

The stress tea helped me but I'm like you, don't know if it was the tea or just sitting and sipping. Got off the prednisone today (hooray) so I'm looking forward to calmness again. It really did a number on me.

A couple of the girls had wet droppings on their bottoms. Maybe I've been giving them too many treats so am going to hold off ana just give feed for a couple of days to see if that helps. Smelly in the coop also so tomorrow I'll empty everything and disinfect/clean before go to work. Poor DH has a bad cold so he's not much help.

 

[RBahmer]

Robin... BOBRY posted this on the other thread...



Anyone, What is this chicklet ? I think it's about 6 wks old. got the egg from RBAHMER. Has five toes and feathers on shanks. Take a guess. I can't find one like it in "breeds". Thanks. Bob

LOL Number one it is suppose to have feathered shanks....it is a Marans and secondly I told him there was Silkie Roos in that pen before I gave him the eggs. He wanted them anyway.

 

[RBahmer]

I think if i remember correctly ( i could be wrong) that selenium is actually a salt ... would that still make it a mineral ..cause i looked into it as a possibly natural treatment for the bipolar ...

Yes, it is a mineral and you can overdose real easy on Selenium. Lithium is prescribed for bi- polar

 

[NovaAman]

If you are not a rapid cycler, do not use St. Johns Wart. It is good for depression. Not so good for Bipolor with long cycles. It can bring you down... really down. If you are a rapid cycler, you may have better luck keeping you more on an even keel. I did use the St. Johns, and both my dad and I had a very crappy experiences with it. It brought me way to low. Dreams became more vivid for me and I raged in my sleep. There is nothing worse than raging in your sleep. When it would happen night after night... Just made for completely shot days.

You need to also be careful with the seratonin. You could potential have a bad reaction to it, called seratonin syndrome, and it is life threatening. Do not use it long term. Just like using melatonin... Not for long term use.

Now, your best bet would be to consume FOODS that naturally boost your bodies seratonin levels. I just don't think the risk of a seratonin overload is worth the initial benefits. Be careful with this one...In humans, serotonin levels are affected by diet. An increase in the ratio of tryptophan to phenylalanine and leucine will increase serotonin levels. Fruits with a good ratio include dates, papayas and bananas. Foods with a lower ratio inhibit the production of serotonin. These include whole wheat and rye bread.[15] Research also suggests eating a diet rich in carbohydrates and low in protein will increase serotonin by secreting insulin, which helps in amino acid competition.[16] However, increasing insulin for a long period may trigger the onset of insulin resistance, obesity, type 2 diabetes, and lower serotonin levels

Seratonin syndrome-
Symptom onset is usually rapid, often occurring within minutes. Serotonin syndrome encompasses a wide range of clinical findings. Mild symptoms may only consist of increased heart rate, shivering, sweating, dilated pupils, myoclonus (intermittent tremor or twitching), as well as overresponsive reflexes.[1] Moderate intoxication includes additional abnormalities such as hyperactive bowel sounds, high blood pressure and hyperthermia; a temperature as high as 40 °C (104 °F) is common in moderate intoxication. The overactive reflexes and clonus in moderate cases may be greater in the lower limbs than in the upper limbs. Mental status changes include hypervigilance and agitation.[1] Severe symptoms include severe increases in heart rate and blood pressure that may lead to shock. Temperature may rise to above 41.1 °C (106.0 °F) in life-threatening cases. Other abnormalities include metabolic acidosis, rhabdomyolysis, seizures, renal failure, and disseminated intravascular coagulation; these effects usually arise as a consequence of hyperthermia.[1][3]
The symptoms are often described as a clinical triad of abnormalities:[1][5]

• Cognitive effects: headache, agitation, hypomania, mental confusion, hallucinations, coma
• Autonomic effects: shivering, sweating, hyperthermia, hypertension, tachycardia, nausea, diarrhea.
• Somatic effects: myoclonus (muscle twitching), hyperreflexia (manifested by clonus), tremor.

Cause

A large number of medications either alone in high dose or in combination can produce serotonin syndrome.

Class Drugs
Antidepressants Monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs),[1] TCAs,[1] SSRIs,[1] SNRIs,[1] bupropion,[6] nefazodone,[7] trazodone[7] mirtazapine[1]
Opioids tramadol,[1] pethidine,[1] fentanyl,[1] pentazocine,[1] buprenorphine[8] oxycodone,[9] hydrocodone[9]
CNS stimulants MDMA,[1] MDA,[1] phentermine,[10] diethylpropion,[10] amphetamine,[3][10] sibutramine,[1] methylphenidate,[10] methamphetamine,[11] cocaine[10] dextromethorphan[12]
5-HT1 agonists triptans[1][10]
Psychedelics 5-Methoxy-diisopropyltryptamine,[1] LSD[13][14]
Herbs St John's Wort,[1] Syrian rue,[1] Panax ginseng,[1] Nutmeg,[15] Yohimbe[16]
Others tryptophan,[1] L-Dopa,[17] valproate,[1] buspirone,[1] lithium,[1] linezolid,[1][18] dextromethorphan,[1] 5-hydroxytryptophan,[7] chlorpheniramine,[10] risperidone,[19] olanzapine,[20] ondansetron,[1] granisetron,[1] metoclopramide,[1] ritonavir[1]

 

[fuzzybutt love]

yes, from what i've read on the selenium it can be really bad if you accidentally od on it. Can trigger diabetes!

I can't find the original article yet that got me intrigued with the tryptophan, but i did find this site that is dedicated to providing information about holistic remedies. I think it looks legit, gotta be careful when looking up health stuff! There are a ton of articles and info, i haven't sifted through it all yet.

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/about/default.htm

tryptophan is the thing that's in turkey that makes you sleepy after you eat it, btw!

 

[RBahmer]

yes, from what i've read on the selenium it can be really bad if you accidentally od on it. Can trigger diabetes!

I can't find the original article yet that got me intrigued with the tryptophan, but i did find this site that is dedicated to providing information about holistic remedies. I think it looks legit, gotta be careful when looking up health stuff! There are a ton of articles and info, i haven't sifted through it all yet.

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/about/default.htm

tryptophan is the thing that's in turkey that makes you sleepy after you eat it, btw!

Too much selenium can and will kill you. Michigan is a state that is selenium defecient and so with our farm animals we have to supply it for them. They cannot get it from the soil because it just isn't there. Too much selenium = dead stock. I give every new lamb a selenium/vitamin E shot as soon after birth as possible.

 

[fuzzybutt love]

So are you saying to stay away from the supplements, Nova? They aren't actually containing the seratonin, but stimulating it........Same thing though?

 

[NovaAman]

Esdee is looking out of sorts. She is standing in the garage, under the heat lamp right now. I felt her up and I do not feel an egg, unless it is higher up, she doesn't have a poopy butt, She doesn't feel thin, and I am not finding any bugs... Comb looks good, she hasn't been laying cuz she's been molting, but she's looking pretty feathered up now. I am wondering if the cockerels are have just terrorized her to much, or this freaking weather change is bothering her.... Boy do I wish I knew more... She isn't even puffed up... She's just kinda standing there, not laying down... tail is down though... So maybe she's getting ready to start laying again? She is eating... Oh jeez... I should check her crop...

Anyway. I went ahead and did as suggested and changed the whole cord on the dryer. Guess what... It keeps tripping the darn curcuit breaker. I called my buddy Joe, and talked to him, and he had me check the breaker, and looks like I only have a 15 amp that breaker. SO, not enough to power the dryer! GAH! So, if it isn't one thing, it is another. Some one pa-lease cut me a break!

 

[NovaAman]

Not at all fuzzy. I am saying pay attention. Thats all. Just pay attention. It has good benefits, but you can over due it. If you are taking certain meds that already either stimulate or suppress the bodies natural production, and you go and add more to it, you can be looking for trouble. So, you are better off eating foods than taking supplements. If you are going to take the supplements, be informed so you will know when something is wrong if something goes wrong.