Genetics Calculator Chat Thread

[Cyprus]

https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/byc-genetic-breed-calculator-huge-task-ahead.1252593/ the genetics main thread

Thank you!

 

[Cyprus]

I'm using the kippenjungle Online template which, although user friendly, is allowing me to enter genes and so far one combination, is not exactly working like I would like.
I cannot seem to get it to accept any other combinations besides dominant black.
I am going to keep trying to get this to work but I may end up switching to another program or starting from scratch. I'm also concerned that so far my calculator looks identical to the already existing kippenjungle calculator. Kippen also does not have a plugin option.

I will keep you guys posted on what I find.

 

[Rose Quartz]

I'm using the kippenjungle Online template which, although user friendly, is allowing me to enter genes and so far one combination, is not exactly working like I would like.
I cannot seem to get it to accept any other combinations besides dominant black.
I am going to keep trying to get this to work but I may end up switching to another program or starting from scratch. I'm also concerned that so far my calculator looks identical to the already existing kippenjungle calculator. Kippen also does not have a plugin option.

I will keep you guys posted on what I find.

I'm pretty sure it will look like kippen jungle in the background. the finishing is where it's going to look different.

 

[Rose Quartz]

Here is a picture of the featherless Australorp chick with a Sultan and a Mahogany Orloff. He has never grown a feather since his first week. He is now 2 months old
View attachment 1442767

how is this guy doing? ^u^

 

[Cyprus]

I'm pretty sure it will look like kippen jungle in the background. the finishing is where it's going to look different.

True
What I need to figure out is how to add leg and eye color and etc. So far only feather pattern and color are available.

 

[Rose Quartz]

True
What I need to figure out is how to add leg and eye color and etc. So far only feather pattern and color are available.

*deer in the headlights*
uhhhhh....

I don't know.

lol

I kind of imagined that they would be different calculators all on the same page, with specific defaults for each breed for each one. So if someone were to choose a breed, like barred rock it would auto fill all the colors in each drop down, but still leave it optional so the person could then go in and choose what trait their hen or roo was actually exhibiting. cause obviously they aren't all going to be perfect, but having a starting point for each breed would be a major help to the people who have no clue where to start.

 

[Rose Quartz]

for everyone I'm quoting: This is a catch-me-up post.

not sure which thread to put this in...

!!!!!

The white earlobe, is composed of purine compounds. so I searched if low uric acid levels in chickens affected the eggshell color.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7447842

a leghorn, which lays white eggs, when messed with chemically, causing an INCREASE in uric acid in the birds caused STAINING on the egg shells!!!!

high levels of purines in a chicken cause LOW uric acid, and white earlobes. which is why chickens with white earlobes are connected to white shelled eggs.

I read somewhere else about white layers slowly changing to brown tinted egg colors, and they did breeding research and breeding the chickens that have the tint caused it to get darker in the offspring,

I don't know how much research has been put into uric acid in chickens but it's a direction to look.

Okay, here's the sussex hens
Coronation and Light
View attachment 1436789

If i understand correctly, coronation is just diluted light/columbian?

It is blue columbian and doesn't breed true

Hey @Cyprus , are we including even unrecognized colors?

Yes but only if they are fairly common.
If they are hard to come by, then no as it is less likely someone will use it in a cross.

Updates https://www.backyardchickens.com/gallery/albums/computed-photos.7428445/

You’re sweet lol. I was hoping this would turn out better. I’m still figuring out how to work with watercolor AND ink.. so far it’s always a muddy mess halfway through.

Tardy feather growth: http://www.edelras.nl/chickengenetics/mutations2.html#gen_mut_slow (forgot to post the link)

tell me all about earlobe colors, I've seen red, white, blue, and yellow... and there was someone on here a few days ago asking about mint green earlobes (with picture) someone else chimed in that they had a bunch of that and it was normal.

Exactly. Actually I like some white birds because they look pristine, but white on rocks shows off all of their worst traits. I like white on a global Wyandotte, a graceful Polish, a slim Leghorn. And it simplifies the color of many other birds like Marans and Legbars and shows off their less paid attention to traits. But Rocks look great in color and strut their stuff, a good barred rock, a perfect double laced. Why fade all that awesomeness into plain old white.




Splash is an codominant trait. Bl'Bl' is black, Bl'Bl is blue BlBl is splash. To make them easier to tell apart Kippenjungle makes them BlBl black, Blbl blue and blbl splash. Black BlBl and black BlBl give you BlBl black. Black BlBl and blue give you half black and half blue because blue has to give one allele to it's offspring, and it has a fifty percent chance of either. So you get fifty percent black BlBl and fifty percent blue Blbl. Blue and blue gives you a fifty percent chance of Blbl blue and a 25 percent black BlBl and a 25 percent chance of splash bb. Splash blbl and splash blbl gives you splash because they have to give b no matter what. Splash and blue gives fifty percent blue and fifty percent splash. Splash blbl and black BlBl gives you one hundred percent blue. If you don't get it here is a chart. https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=f0Al0DIy&id=AAF51A192D4A3A188422ACC823CADB0C08FE7598&thid=OIP.f0Al0DIydrFf85bIdb_5HAAAAA&mediaurl=http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/5781723/width/350/height/700/flags/LL&exph=264&expw=350&q=black+black+splash+chart+chickens&simid=608043186840472530&selectedIndex=2&ajaxhist=0
Chromosomes. Sexlinked genes like barring work this way.


Some genes only fit on the X chromosome like barring which looks like this on males B/B and this on females B/- because females only have one X chromosome. So the males immediately inherit one barring gene from their mother, while the fathers give the gene to their sons, they also give one to each of their daughters.
If the father is barred and the mother is black all the sons look like this B/b+ so single barred. The girls get B from their father so B/- single barred.
If their father is a solid color, say black, and their mother is barred the boys will inherit the barring and their father's solid black, so barred. The hens will inherit their one gene from their father and be black. Sexlinkage. There is also another few combinations I don't feel like explaining. If you think back to science class way back when, this was explained. Just not with chickens maybe. You know feather sexing? That is sexlinked so we have a fast feathering father and slow feathering mother you get fast feathering pullets and slow feathering cockerels. This can be done within a breed. However, you have to purposefully make this cross, so it's always better to just do an easy cross, like an Australorp over a barred rock or something, how hard can that be?

Yeah, its a laced blue
Blue
Female
Extended black E/E
Columbia co+/co+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Melanotic Ml/Ml
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of Gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue BL/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive White C+/C+
Mottling Mo+/Mo+
Barring b+/-
Silver S/-
Chocolate Choc+/-


Male
Extended black E/E
Columbia co+/co+
Darkbrown db+/db+
Pattern gene pg+/pg+
Melanotic Ml/Ml
Charcoal Cha+/Cha+
Mahogany mh+/mh+
Dilute di+/di+
Inhibitor of Gold Ig+/Ig+
Champagneblond cb+/cb+
Dominant white i+/i+
Blue Bl/bl+
Lavender Lav+/Lav+
Recessive White C+/C+
Mottling Mo+/Mo+
Barring b+/b+
Silver S/S
Chocolate Choc+/Choc+

This should be all of the genetics stuff that was posted in this thread. All of the pictures that Blackhackle posted are in his article page he shared, so I only quoted the post that has the link to that.

I must say skimming through this made me want to work on stuff again. Once I've got a computer to work with again(my laptop died) I'll have to try to get some work done.

 

[Cyprus]

*deer in the headlights*
uhhhhh....

I don't know.

lol

I kind of imagined that they would be different calculators all on the same page, with specific defaults for each breed for each one. So if someone were to choose a breed, like barred rock it would auto fill all the colors in each drop down, but still leave it optional so the person could then go in and choose what trait their hen or roo was actually exhibiting. cause obviously they aren't all going to be perfect, but having a starting point for each breed would be a major help to the people who have no clue where to start.

It is clearly possible lol. Kippen is like 1000000000 steps ahead of us and has obviously figured out how to put it all into one calculator.

 

[Amer]

*deer in the headlights*
uhhhhh....

I don't know.

lol

I kind of imagined that they would be different calculators all on the same page, with specific defaults for each breed for each one. So if someone were to choose a breed, like barred rock it would auto fill all the colors in each drop down, but still leave it optional so the person could then go in and choose what trait their hen or roo was actually exhibiting. cause obviously they aren't all going to be perfect, but having a starting point for each breed would be a major help to the people who have no clue where to start.

Plus there are other kinds of rocks. Like *cough choke* white Plymouth Rocks.

 

[Amer]

for everyone I'm quoting: This is a catch-me-up post.































This should be all of the genetics stuff that was posted in this thread. All of the pictures that Blackhackle posted are in his article page he shared, so I only quoted the post that has the link to that.

I must say skimming through this made me want to work on stuff again. Once I've got a computer to work with again(my laptop died) I'll have to try to get some work done.

Mai rocks post.



I actually saw a nice, not fat rock a couple of weeks ago. But then it won American class and I was like how many times have I seen this happen?