Genetics creating barred Araucana

[Ytailhunter]

Does the barred holland have a pea comb ? Remember leg color is easy to work on however comb is another story. The only outcross I have worked on so far have been BBR cubalaya x Rumpless as they have a similar comb and lay a very light egg , Also Barred rock x Rumpless and wound up with the barring and rumplessness however egg color was green instead of brown or blue.

 

[enola]

If you want crosses with an Araucana to lay blue eggs, you have to start with a hen that lays a white egg.

If the hen in the cross is laying even a slightly tinted egg, it is not a white egg. The hen hatching from that egg will lay a green egg. The shade of green is determined by the amount of brown tint in the hatched egg.

In other words, the lighter (brown) the hatched egg is, the lighter green you will end up with.

The dark brown egg laying hens are used to get the "olive" colored eggs.

 

[Mahonri]

So Araucana X Exchequer Leghorn? Maybe?

 

[bearpaw]

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The Barred Holland lays a white Egg. It has a comb like the barred rocks. If I could find an EE that is barred that could work but that would be near impossible.

 

[geareduplyn]

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I agree

 

[bearpaw]

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I agree

thanks for your help! I appreciate being able to pick the brains of breeders with genetic experience.

 

[Krys109uk]

It can be helpful to make ones own colour then one knows one does not have exctly the same bloodlines.

I'm not sure whether you're wanting to make a cuckoo araucana or a cuckoo ameraucana. A cuckoo rumpless tufted araucana would probably be more difficult (aren't the ear tufts difficult to get right?).
I cannot think of anything mentioned on an Ameraucana, except maintaining blue egg colour, which would not make cuckoo relatively easy to make. Things like leg colour, comb type, beard & muffs etc. should not be particularly difficult to correct.

 

[pips&peeps]

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I know that Charlie, I'm not stoooped........

I was responding to the original poster. It seems he doesn't know if he wants to make barred ameraucanas or barred araucanas. He had another post about this same topic using ameraucanas a day or two ago.

The araucana club, I notice, is more lenient on color standards than the ameraucana club. Leg color is a big deal to us as I think it provides one of the clear cut clues that people can use to determine if a bird is a real ameraucana or not.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

All the posts I've seen were about making a barred or cuckoo araucana. People answering have spoken about ameraucanas, but not the original poster (I think). There has been confusion as to whether the goal is barred or cuckoo.

I do find it difficult that she or he has created numerous threads on the same topic on several forums. And I don't believe sufficient time has been allowed for some of the breeders to get back--many people do not check their email or messages multiple times per day--I know people who only check once a week. And some folks don't do email at all. When multiple breeders are working on a similar project, I believe they need to be in contact with each other so that they can hopefully be aiming in the same direction, and if not at least recognise that there are differences in their goals or working standards.

Leg colour is important to araucana breeders, and only the white variety allows yellow legs. Cuckoo or barred and dark skin are difficult as the barring gene and the gene disallowing dark skin are closely related. However, it can be done--cuckoo silkies exist--some that have quite dark skin. It takes crossover to achieve this, and thus requires a lot of work over several generations.

Comb shape is easy--pea comb gene in dominant to single comb, so all F1 chicks should have pea combs, but also carry the single comb allele. If crossed back to parents or other araucanas, half of the F2s should be hom. for pea. With each generation the number of birds het. for pea comb will be reduced.

Rumpless and tufted will need to be selected for, but since tuftedness is quite variable in expression, and is dominant (indeed, a double dose is lethal) it shouldn't be any more difficult that breeding araucanas together. Same for rumplessnes, although it is not lethal--however it does have an impact on fertility; thus araucana breeders often use tailed birds.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

I stand corrected--I did see a post about barred ameraucanas.

So I guess the overall questions are cuckoo or barred & araucana or ameraucana?