Gleet

[Wyorp Rock]

Hi, thanks for the response.

No medication orally, can Nystatin cream be given orally? The box says not to be used orally.

I don't have the tube or syringe or experience to flush the crop.

I will definitely try the coconut oil, thank you.

Here's a pic, there has been some improvement, the lighting and angle in the pic makes it look a bit worse than it is.

Are you in the US?
Unless mistaken, Nystatin Cream is by prescription here in the US. Most folks that give Nystatin orally by products like This or This which are meant to be given in the water.

I have given Miconazole and Clotrimazole orally to treat Sour Crop. Acidified Copper Sulfate could also be used.

Some other suggestions for treatment of Vent Gleet can be found in this article.

Clara does have an irritated bum that's for sure. I'd see that she's eating well and drinking. Hopefully you can get this cleared up.

 

[triciayoung]

If you are comfortable with the idea of tubing a chicken, you could try the three-day Epsom Salt flush. It will wash the yeast completely out of the system. The most difficult, unless you already have it, is obtaining the plastic tubing and an oral syringe to fit it.

The flush consists of one teaspoon of Epsom salts (magnesium sulfate) dissolved into half cup of warm water. This is given two times a day (all of it) directly into the crop for three consecutive days. It may seem like overkill, but the chicken usually handles it well and I've seen them energized after each treatment.

This can be dehydrating in spite of the large volume of fluid, but I've never seen a chicken have any adverse side effects from it. You do need to supplu plenty of fresh water in between flushes. The magnesium sulfate will naturally kill the yeast spores and hose them out of the digestive tract. I would follow up with another five to seven days of miconazole following the final flush.

I can give you instructions how to tube if you aren't familiar with the procedure.

I need instructions about how to tube, in case I ever have to...thank you.

 

[triciayoung]

I don't mean to hijack this thread, please forgive me & move my comment if posting here is inappropriate...

I too have been treating a neighbors chicken for what I believe is vent gleet and have been doing all the same things as the OPer said. This is now day 6.

Each night I've soaked her in warm water with epsom salts and got as much of the gunk off as I could.

I then blow dry her and apply Nystatin to the whole area. She is then a house guest for the evening.

In the morning I use a warm damp cloth to clean her off as best as I can and apply Nystatin again and then set her loose with the flock.

It looks a lot better from when I started but she is still discharging goop. I have ACV in her water and while I am tending to her she gets to eat dried BSF larva in live cultured yogurt.

I also gotten rid of all the feed that was out, cleaned up all the feed bowls and waterers with vinegar.

But there is still a rather large patch of gunk under her vent that is almost like concrete and I can't seem to get it to soften up to be able to remove it.

I can post pics if asked.

Thanks in advance.

Is anyone using Banixx for vent gleet?

 

[azygous]

Tubing is a good skill, easily learned, that every chicken keeper should have. First thing to do is obtain the tubing and syringe to fit. The easiest is to ask your vet to sell you a kit for just a few dollars. Ask for catheter and syringe for a small animal.

Or you can find tubing anywhere aquarium supplies are sold. You only need a short length around ten inches. Then you need to find an oral syringe that has an ample capacity to fit into the tube. Pharmacies often give these syringes away for free.

You may also ask around among family and friends if any of them are on oxygen at night if they will give you their discarded tubing.

The actual tube feeding involves inserting the tube into the esophagus, located on the right side of the chicken's throat. By inserting the tube along the inside of the beak, going slightly under the right side of the tongue, it is then guided right into the esophagus and pushing it farther, it goes smoothly into the crop.

If the chicken coughs or gags, you need to back out the tubing and start over. Once you do it the first time, you'll find out how easy it is. It also helps to wrap the chicken tightly in a towel to confine wings and feet.

 

[triciayoung]

Tubing is a good skill, easily learned, that every chicken keeper should have. First thing to do is obtain the tubing and syringe to fit. The easiest is to ask your vet to sell you a kit for just a few dollars. Ask for catheter and syringe for a small animal.

Or you can find tubing anywhere aquarium supplies are sold. You only need a short length around ten inches. Then you need to find an oral syringe that has an ample capacity to fit into the tube. Pharmacies often give these syringes away for free.

You may also ask around among family and friends if any of them are on oxygen at night if they will give you their discarded tubing.

The actual tube feeding involves inserting the tube into the esophagus, located on the right side of the chicken's throat. By inserting the tube along the inside of the beak, going slightly under the right side of the tongue, it is then guided right into the esophagus and pushing it farther, it goes smoothly into the crop.

If the chicken coughs or gags, you need to back out the tubing and start over. Once you do it the first time, you'll find out how easy it is. It also helps to wrap the chicken tightly in a towel to confine wings and feet.View attachment 3352656

Thank you so much. Another question: How do you know when you are in the crop?

 

[NotSunkYet]

Are you in the US?
Unless mistaken, Nystatin Cream is by prescription here in the US. Most folks that give Nystatin orally by products like This or This which are meant to be given in the water.

I have given Miconazole and Clotrimazole orally to treat Sour Crop. Acidified Copper Sulfate could also be used.

Some other suggestions for treatment of Vent Gleet can be found in this article.

Clara does have an irritated bum that's for sure. I'd see that she's eating well and drinking. Hopefully you can get this cleared up.

Hi Wyorp,

Yes, I'm in the US, I had the good fortune of having a pharmacist sell it to me, saying anything for a sick chicken.

I've been feeding 20% pellets, dehydrated BSF Larva in yogurt, black oil sun flower seeds, ACV in the water, and oyster shells.

I just finished soaking her in warm epsom salt water and applied the coconut oil to her bum. It has help to loosen some of it and I've been able to get more of the cement gunk off, however there was a bit of blood so I stopped. I have her resting at the moment with her breakfast of BSF larva and yogurt, and will try some more oil in a bit, then apply the nystatin cream for the day. And will repeat it all again tonight. Normally I do this at night.

Any thoughts or other suggestions are all very much appreciated.

I will see in a few minutes if she still has a discharge, and if so, then something more than ACV & yogurt internally may be needed.

Thanks for the other info and article, I will look into checking on her crop, it was empty first thing this morning, so I imagine that is a good thing.

I guess I'm going to continue treatment as I have been and hopefully within another week it'll be cleared up.

Thanks ever so much, I'm a bit nervous about it all, you've helped me to feel that I'm still on the right track.

 

[NotSunkYet]

Tubing is a good skill, easily learned, that every chicken keeper should have. First thing to do is obtain the tubing and syringe to fit. The easiest is to ask your vet to sell you a kit for just a few dollars. Ask for catheter and syringe for a small animal.

Or you can find tubing anywhere aquarium supplies are sold. You only need a short length around ten inches. Then you need to find an oral syringe that has an ample capacity to fit into the tube. Pharmacies often give these syringes away for free.

You may also ask around among family and friends if any of them are on oxygen at night if they will give you their discarded tubing.

The actual tube feeding involves inserting the tube into the esophagus, located on the right side of the chicken's throat. By inserting the tube along the inside of the beak, going slightly under the right side of the tongue, it is then guided right into the esophagus and pushing it farther, it goes smoothly into the crop.

If the chicken coughs or gags, you need to back out the tubing and start over. Once you do it the first time, you'll find out how easy it is. It also helps to wrap the chicken tightly in a towel to confine wings and feet.View attachment 3352656

Wow, that was very detailed and helpful. Thank you!

 

[NotSunkYet]

OK, I've just finished a second round of coconut oil and got some more gunk off. I did a second water & epsom salt soak and am letting her rest bit. I'll then blow dry her and apply more nystatin.

She does still have a discharge as seen in these most recent pics.

Is that puffed lip of skin a normal looking vent at the top? Sorry I'm new at all this, never been this up-close & personal with a chicken before.

Thanks again.

 

[NotSunkYet]

Cement butt! I'm quite familiar, unfortunately. (Diarrhea and dust baths don't mix well...) If it's like a ball stuck in her feathers you can try to crack and crumble it with a pair of pliers. Otherwise you just have to slowly rub it away layer by layer in a bath because it really won't soften. Never tried mineral oil on it though...

For the gleet you could give it another week doing what you are doing to see if it clears up, but if she has a lot of discharge then it is likely the infection has moved up her intestinal tract a ways and an oral antifungal may be needed to clear it from the inside out.

Good luck and let us know things go!

Hi Razzlefrazzle,

What kind of oral anti-fungal would you suggest that doesn't need a prescription?

She is still discharging quite a bit and I feel that the topical nystatin is only capable of keeping the status quo right now. I've posted recent pics here.

Thanks

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I've been feeding 20% pellets, dehydrated BSF Larva in yogurt, black oil sun flower seeds, ACV in the water, and oyster shells.

I'd make sure she's got grit (Crushed Granite) free choice as well, so she can process her food well.

The vent looks a bit swollen and she's got a little bloating in the abdomen. The discharge may be from Vent Gleet (Does it smell strongly on yeast infection or more like ammonia/old people urine? sorry no other way to describe it)

She may have more going on like a reproductive disorder, but hard to know. Do you know if she's laid eggs recently or if they were normal?

Right now, I'd stay the course like you are doing. Apply the oil after bathing her to help protect the skin and hopefully after it sits for a while it will help loosen the discharge as well.

Anti-fungals that are commonly used were posted previously along with links. All of these are OTC.

What kind of oral anti-fungal would you suggest that doesn't need a prescription?

Most folks that give Nystatin orally by products like This or This which are meant to be given in the water.

I have given Miconazole and Clotrimazole orally to treat Sour Crop. Acidified Copper Sulfate could also be used.