GMO's and Factory Farming...

[b.hromada]

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You said it!

 

[dmiravalle]

Ok, maybe to much quoting!! Mine is the line with the smiley face. LOL!

 

[Katy]

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You are sadly mistaken if you think all we farmers have on rose colored glasses.....we know better than anyone the state of agriculture today......much, much better than all of the people who get their "knowledge" from movies and internet articles.

I also thought you're "rat" comment was pretty low.....I'll let you be the one to tell the mother of a starving child that her "rat" doesn't deserve any food to eat.

 

[dmiravalle]

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In or around the beginning, when they where going to the commercial poultry farms they stated that the Black material that was on the sides of the poultry barns was to keep people from seeing inside the barns.
That is untrue the material that is on the sides of the poultry barns is a "Black Out Netting" that allows for ventilation but blocks out up to 99% of all outside light.
By blocking out the out side light they can control the amount of feed that the birds inside eat by using a X amount of hours on X amount of lights off system. By controlling the amount of food a bird eats will regulate how fast or slow a bird grows.

One other is when they said the commercial poultry farms don't want people around there barns because they don't people seeing the conditions of the birds and there housing.
The reason the commercial poultry farms don't want people around there barns is bio-security.

Now I know that this is only two examples but I don't have the time or the will too sit down and re-watch that crock of lies show.

Chris

I don't disagree with that Chris, but I do have a problem that we have to control light to prevent to rapid a weight gain. I am all for growing feed for the masses, but I just don't agree with how it is done. I teach Bio-Security classes so I know that part is bull about blocking out the viewing public, but having masses of chickens raised in a darkened, un-naturally lighted barn, given antibiotics/supplements so they can "hopefully" make it to butcher weight is what I have a serious problem with. People don't need meat in their diets everymeal and we have become a society of that mentality. And believe me I LOVE MEAT! (Sorry my vegan friends) But I have a problem with blowing out beef/pork animals kidneys, creating deadly heart disease in these animals with the hope that they will make it to butcher, it has all become a race against time with these animals. I do speak from experience because I have raised meat on both sides of the coin. I don't agree with feedlot practices, and again, I speak from personal experiences.

I think people should educate themselves and be FREE to choose, not what the commercial industry wants us to believe. I think labeling should be improved and mandated.

For example, I had a friend who got sick from a piece of pork. After research it showed that the pork was not from the US and was not labled as such, it was purchased from a reputable grocery store. This is wrong. I also believe we americans need to take of we americans and not preach to other countries. We are too screwed up ourselves.

JMO

 

[Organics North]

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Well then, one way to off set the cost is to tax you folks that support the current status quo.
Lets see, your method is energy/fossil fuel intensive. Chemical ferts, shipping food around the country and lots of processing to make the foods edible. (Anyone who has ever tried field corn will wonder how on earth they can get sugar out of it...

1. we then should tax you for our military which helps keep oil prices down.

2. Secondly the foods made from corn and soy and the meats raised from them may be cheap but are surely not healthy.. Matter of fact they are SO cheap, poor people buy them instead of more healthy nutritious foods.

SO lets tax you with a childhood diabetes tax, a fat tax and a tax to cover our worlds highest healthcare costs and our decreasing life spans.

Here look at this chart: The FRENCH live longer and eat better tasting and more healthy food than us!!!!!!
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/infographic-day-how-bad-us-healthcare

Also I do not believe the 30% is a real number I feel it may be less, besides more jobs in the local agriculture economy will be created. More small farmers/buisnessmen that own their own operations and will be able to hand the fruits of their labor on to their children.. NOT just make a few fat slob executive and share holders filthy rich....

So I do not believe cost of living goes up at all!!!

ON

 

[Katy]

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Well then, one way to off set the cost is to tax you folks that support the current status quo.
Lets see, your method is energy/fossil fuel intensive. Chemical ferts, shipping food around the country and lots of processing to make the foods edible. (Anyone who has ever tried field corn will wonder how on earth they can get sugar out of it...

1. we then should tax you for our military which helps keep oil prices down.

2. Secondly the foods made from corn and soy and the meats raised from them may be cheap but are surely not healthy.. Matter of fact they are SO cheap, poor people buy them instead of more healthy nutritious foods.

SO lets tax you with a childhood diabetes tax, a fat tax and a tax to cover our worlds highest healthcare costs and our decreasing life spans.

Here look at this chart: The FRENCH live longer and eat better tasting and more healthy food than us!!!!!!
http://www.fastcompany.com/blog/cliff-kuang/design-innovation/infographic-day-how-bad-us-healthcare

Also I do not believe the 30% is a real number I feel it may be less, besides more jobs in the local agriculture economy will be created. More small farmers/buisnessmen that own their own operations and will be able to hand the fruits of their labor on to their children.. NOT just make a few fat slob executive and share holders filthy rich....

So I do not believe cost of living goes up at all!!!

ON

Where'd you get your rose-colored glasses?

 

[ChickenWisperer]

I've done a lot of research on factory farming. Most of my college papers that I have written, including my research paper, were over factory farming - specifically, that dealing with egg factories.

What people don't know is horrifying, in every sense of the word. People don't know the horrific practices that give them cheap and barely nutritional eggs. They don't know that their beef they buy in the store has been treated with ammonia. They don't know that their bacon came from a pig that was probably thrown, alive, into boiling hot water.

When the kids at my highschool read my papers, I was met with shock and refusal. Some kids got physically ill, but yet others refuted me, saying I was making "wild statements that couldn't possibly be true". I also got the latter from adults in our "hicktown" community who my mother took my paper to.


Agribusiness puts a purposeful veil in front of us, to keep us from seeing what they are doing. I think they should have serious consequences for what they have done to the animals they have tortured, and the innocent people they have killed with their toxic, tainted, sub-par "products". But as long as the majority of people only care about how cheap they can get their food, then this is the way it will be.

I'm trying my best to cut out all processed foods from my diet, including meats.

 

[Organics North]

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I can tell you that they are not from Walmart...

Yes, Katy... I am being a bit sensationalist as always....

I know the answers to our problems lie some where in between extreams..

ON

 

[Ohne-Fehler]

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Thank you, I am really enjoying reading your posts. They are well thought out and supported which I really do appreciate. Unfounded claims really bother me, when I hear them my mind goes back to college and what some professors would have said had you put that in a paper.

I am generally enjoying this thread, there are some very insightful people posting on here. Although a lot of the posts do seem to either come straight out of the pro- Monsanto handbook or the anti-Monsanto handbook. I think its good for people to see both sides of the argument and really think about what’s going on in the world and recognize just how many layers there are to a single issue such as this.

OF

 

[dmiravalle]

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Thank you, I am really enjoying reading your posts. They are well thought out and supported which I really do appreciate. Unfounded claims really bother me, when I hear them my mind goes back to college and what some professors would have said had you put that in a paper.

I am generally enjoying this thread, there are some very insightful people posting on here. Although a lot of the posts do seem to either come straight out of the pro- Monsanto handbook or the anti-Monsanto handbook. I think its good for people to see both sides of the argument and really think about what’s going on in the world and recognize just how many layers there are to a single issue such as this.

OF

Nicely put OF,

there is always two sides to every arguement. If we choose to hide in our holes and not look, we deserve what we get. There needs to be comprise, and I believe in that comes by having choices. I would rather pay more for something better and eat less of it than to eat more of something of lesser quality.

I think open debates are great, and yes, I have had my share of exposure to commercial ag doing a better job and those doing a crappy job... But by providing options, even walmart has learned that people will generally choose a healthier option IF they can afford it.

I work with a lot of really down and out families, and we talk about how they can live a little bit healthier and still stay within their budget. Even if it is growing tomatoes in their kitchens, we can eliminate canned pasta sauces, etc..