Golden Colors

[BobwhiteQuailLover]

If you crossed a cinnamon male with a dark throated hen what color woud you get?

 

[oleduke]

Might as well give that question up Toby10. I have asked many times what a cross between a RG and a YG would produce, with no luck. I must have not made my question clear enough. What I wanted to see is a picture or pictures of someone who has done this. I know someone has, but fears ridicule in my opinion. Personally, I do not care what anyone does with their birds, as there will always be purist's out there. I don't mix them & I am not even a seller!!

I don't want to ridicule anyone, but I would love, absolutely love, to see a bona fide photo of a cross between a Red Golden Pheasant and a Yellow Golden Pheasant (not what the guy Ghigi or w/e in Italy came up with as I know what a YG is) would look like.

My question is this simple: One Red Golden bird mated with One Yellow Golden bird (yes the YG is from RG breeding), what the offspring look like?

I have just about given up on it. I may pay a breeder I know to do it next year just to see what he gets as he has a super controlled environment & can do this. Truthfully, all I want to see is what the birds will look like. I might be wrong but these splash, peach, peach splash, etc.. look like crosses of what I am asking about, but I could be wrong.

Me & oleduke

 

[spectrumranch]

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I have not crossed a red and a yellow, but I would quess all offspring would look like normal reds as that would be the dominant color gene. I do not beleive you would produce splash or peach birds unless they already carried that gene. But this is just a quess!

 

[BobwhiteQuailLover]

If you mixed a cinnamon with a dark throated, what color would you get?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

all those colors mentioned are not crosses, they are mutations of the golden (often called red gold)
If you breed any of them back to a "red" gold, all you are going to get is golden, period, it will not make some funky new color. The red is dominate as it is the original true color of the bird and will cancel out the colors of the various mutations to give you plain ol red goldens....
Some of the F2'S if crossed back to sibilings or a bird of the original mutation color are bred back to them, then you should get more of the mutation color. But this will not in now way ever make a "new" color if that's what yall are wondering about
Hope that helps all

oh, same with the cinnamon x dark throat, should just give reds

 

[BobwhiteQuailLover]

Thanks!!

 

[oleduke]

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Well that just confused me even more. I appreciate you taking the time to answer, but if what you say is true: could someone breed a YG, Cinnamon, Splash, Peach, Dark Throat or any other Golden color with a pure (as we know the term pure anyway) RG and eventually get back to having pure RG if that red gene is dominant? (I thought once impure always impure)

If so, why all the fuss about crossing YG with RG etc...? Or is the fuss about crossing Amherst and Golden's (one example)? I actually thought Alessandro Ghigi (sp?) used another breed of pheasant to help create the YG mutation. I do understand that no one should mix a Silver & Amherst, or Reeves & Ring Neck etc... Can you or anyone else elaborate a little more on the subject please? Minus all the XYZ stuff as I won't grasp that part of it. I really just want a little better understanding to this topic, not trying to create any drama or be sarcastic; honestly.

Me & oleduke

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

no you cant get back to true pures that way.
The red is donimate, so with F1 crosses (the first offspring produced from the red x mutation cross) all will be red goldens.
It's just like breeding a black chicken to any other colored chicken, all theirs will be black.
Anyway, these will be red, but carry one copy of the mutation color gene as well. It takes 2 copies of the gene for it to be visable.
So, if you breed your F1's back to the mutation, OR to each other, you will then start getting the mutation colors again.
I dont believe the yellow was outcrosses though (maybe, not sure) but if it was, it wouldnt be a mutation, it would be a hybrid.

The fuss is, when you cross these, it doesnt strenghten eithers line, the red or the mutation. It actually dilutes them, seeing how they and their future offspring will always carry the others genes. Bad thing about it is, it's not visable, so you wont know if they have the gene without breeding them first, even then some are just splits.

and yes the big fuss is over species crossing too, it's even worse, genetically speaking than mutation crossing.

 

[oleduke]

Now I understand. Thanks for explaining it to me. I am not sure why I didn't catch it in the other posts but that makes perfect sense to me.

 

[spectrumranch]

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Your basic principle on the red gene being dominant is almost correct- it depends on what mutation color you breed with a red.

I have taken peach golden males and bred to red golden hens- the offspring looked like yellow goldens and then did get some splash feathering.

The fuss is, when you cross these, it doesnt strenghten eithers line, the red or the mutation.

Crossing back out to red- can help by adding genetic diversity into mutation color.​