Granny's gone and done it again

[Granny Hatchet]

You mentioned it, but now Alley has a reminder to put it on the calendar. She was dreading preschool bowling, so may not have noticed.

hahaaa Poor Ally

 

[Wishing4Wings]

Bandit and Frosty play rough. I imagine thats a tooth. I used antibiotic on it.
BTW, Peeps now saying anti w/ pain is safe for chickens.

Yeah, I was trying to find more info about that off site. Seems it was more of an anecdotal case than actual science. Still not sure what is true. I've got the non pain relieving stuff already, so I can just use that, just in case.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

Yeah, I was trying to find more info about that off site. Seems it was more of an anecdotal case than actual science. Still not sure what is true. I've got the non pain relieving stuff already, so I can just use that, just in case.

Same here but Does it relieve pain ? Thats the question. Because if it does we want to use it right ?

 

[Granny Hatchet]

I dont really trust that stuff to work at all. Seems like it would trap bacteria there .

 

[Wishing4Wings]

BTW, Peeps now saying anti w/ pain is safe for chickens.

http://www.ivsajournals.com/article_3628_f14489575e73d63501ee820381ad1119.pdf

Conclusions and clinical relevance-
Based on the results of this study, greater doses of lidocaine are needed to produce toxic manifestations in chickens as compared with mammals.

But compared to other research...
http://www.vetfolio.com/veterinary-practice-issues/controlling-avian-pain

Birds may be more sensitive than mammals to the toxic effects of local anesthetics because lower doses (2.7 to 3.3 mg/kg) of bupivacaine in birds produce toxic effects35 compared with higher doses (3.5 to 4.5 mg/kg) in dogs.36 It is recommended that the lidocaine dose not exceed 4 mg/kg in birds because seizures and cardiac arrest can result from overdosing. However, chickens receiving higher doses of bupivacaine (2.7 to 3.3 mg/kg) showed signs of toxicosis (e.g., recumbency with outstretched legs, drowsiness) and distress immediately after injection.35 Other possible side effects of local anesthesia include depression, drowsiness, ataxia, nystagmus, muscle tremors, and hypotension.36

The moral of the story is . Not enough research on chickens because who will fund it?

 

[Wishing4Wings]

Same here but Does it relieve pain ? Thats the question. Because if it does we want to use it right ?

The bigger question is do chickens feel pain the same way we do, at the same levels? Probably not.

 

[Wishing4Wings]

I dont really trust that stuff to work at all. Seems like it would trap bacteria there .

Not good in puncture wounds for that reason... says on the box too. Wound should be cleaned before applying. The antibiotic should kill off anything that was missed in cleaning and will provide a barrier to reinfection. Not good for large areas either.

 

[Wishing4Wings]

The moral of the story is . Not enough research on chickens because who will fund it?

OR maybe the moral of the story is not all -caines are created equal. Still needs more research, but most people are not going to use veterinary care on their chickens. Most research is aimed at birds used in production.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

sigh, Thanks Wishing, good but conflicting info and guess what ? Ya, I didnt clean it first.

 

[Granny Hatchet]

And thats the first thing peeps do when a dog grabs a chicken and they have a large area of missing skin. That use that to keep it moist