has anyone have their hens bodies returned

[ladyearth]

The report said high energy diets that result in excessive fat depostion associated with extensive consumtion of high energy diet
it also said HER liver was fratured and her abdomen was filled with clotted blood Te liver was swolllen pale yellow and friable
Did the friend have any symptoms of fatty liver? just curious
Micheal Apple said on this forum " Lewerstim" is a liver cleanse and support for avian

thanks

 

[EggSighted4Life]

Non alcoholic fatty liver in humans, can be a side effect of an injury but is more likely genetic.

I don't think you harmed her. What do you feed, protein % ? What does he mean by high energy diet? Yes, 25% fat would be too much if that was the total intake. But if you keep your treats to less than 10% of their total ration, then it should be fine.

Yes I think you should call and see if they did get it right and ask why they didn't put any detail to breed and such including weight.

And I'm really not diggin' your vet!

Would be looking for me another. It's one thing to say he's no avian expert. But to charge to have a report faxed to his office?! That's some greed IMO, and would take my business elsewhere.

The good news is that isn't contagious to the rest of your flock.

I suggest that you leave your birds be... Throwing a liver cleanse and all kinds of other things people might do, doesn't make it right or beneficial. Especially if you try to many things all at once, you won't even know if it made it better or worse, what worked or didn't.

Sometimes the best thing to do is keep it simple! Fresh plain water. Make sure they have a balanced feed (usually commercial) and not more than 10% treats. I recommend a flock raiser or all flock with about 20% protein and 1% calcium for a mixed gender and age flock, with oyster shell on the side. I use Purina Flock Raiser, because that is what's available that meets my needs affordably.

Layer feed only has 16% protein and 4% calcium, which is too high if calcium for birds not in lay including chicks, roosters, and molting hens. And the lower protein is the bare minimum to support egg laying but not necessarily hatch healthy chicks. The extra protein also helps feathers grow in because that is what they are made of. I only mention it because many who have roos & older hens don't realize they calcium in layer can cause kidney damage when fed long term.

I am sure head is spinning still. Hang in there. How many friends did Pinkie Lee have living with her?

 

[Wyorp Rock]

I suggest that you leave your birds be... Throwing a liver cleanse and all kinds of other things people might do, doesn't make it right or beneficial. Especially if you try to many things all at once, you won't even know if it made it better or worse, what worked or didn't.

Sometimes the best thing to do is keep it simple! Fresh plain water. Make sure they have a balanced feed (usually commercial) and not more than 10% treats. I recommend a flock raiser or all flock with about 20% protein and 1% calcium for a mixed gender and age flock, with oyster shell on the side. I use Purina Flock Raiser, because that is what's available that meets my needs affordably.

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I'm so sorry that you have had to go through this LadyEarth.

I do agree with @EggSighted4Life sometimes the best thing to do is go back to the basics and keep it simple.

 

[ladyearth]

yeah thanks yall. But I dont trust the unorganic... I just wish I could make my homemade mix work
NO CRAPPY SOY or corn in it
no one will ever make me believe that soy is not harmful period,,,,
I bet if a chicken only foraged they sure wouldnt go for soy....esp unroasted.
Mine eats lots of grass and weeds and they spend countless hours searching for bugs, worms and weeds... they much prefer that over commercial feed. and they clamer over each other for things like split peas,cherry tomatoes and raw tender greenbeans, kale juice.. anything other than that crap feed....and luv rainwater...LOL
thanks yall I am not going to debate the subject....I appreciate yall anyway

 

[EggSighted4Life]

@ladyearth I wasn't suggesting you switch away from organic. Would do organic if I could. I was suggesting to keep the nutritional values around a certain range. And more than that I was suggesting not to 'kill them with kindness". But yes, let the rainwater do it's job cleansing instead of trying some hokus pokus.

And it's true corn and soy may be crappy, but my chickens would eat cardboard and styrofoam if I let them.

They also love foraging bugs and greens and all kinds of things.

I actually raise red wigglers and meal worms to feed out live and they love both!

 

[ladyearth]

unfortunately havent gotten an eggs in the last several days. I just finished eating 2 of the 4 left in the fridge from my gals... Bought two dozens from a guy we know. unfortunately everyone we buy the yolks are pale. Found ought the guy bought whole bunch mor chicks back in february. he put their "house" in a small fenced in area... My Hubby told me. So that bunch of chickens have no acess to grass just dirt in a small area. Its a good thing I didnt go with him. Cause I prob wouldnt keep my MOUTH SHUT.....
I changed to Nature Best Starter grower again $25.99 for a 40 lb bag.... not the Layer pellets this time. Since they arent laying and Have A ROO ROO man.. and Now a Gander that wont go HOME.... so they can eat that a lot safer. Of course free choice Oyster shell ihas been in several places for a long time... I think they have found out I put the crushed up baked eggshell with it and eating that, too...
Its all where the prioties are for each of us. So I will pay the difference in the price for the ORGANIC like I do for most of Hubbys and My food. or at least local or homegrown when possible.
we bought the last 1/2 bushel of RED unwashed potatoes that the local Amish farmer had left to sale.
thats a lot of potato just for us but..... we eat them most everyday. We bake like a whole 10 inch container at one time Now if I can just get my tiny green to grow bigger !!! LOL
Oh by the way Oregano oil is not hocus pocus... Like I mentioned on here Bell and Evans and others are feeding thei chicks Oregano in their water
thanks all

 

[EggSighted4Life]

I didn't mean oregano oil was hokus pokus, I don't usually try to make statements like that without at least doing some research. I was just meaning in general. Who are Bell and Evans?

Yes, I always buy local and grow what I can. Things taste so much better that way. I avoid chemicals as much as possible in part because we drink our ground water. But also because the chickens eat what they want. Plenty of stuff to go around all year long.

Have you tried sprouting fodder? Even though my birds free range in the PNW on an acre for (currently) 44 birds, I go through 5, 50# bags of feed per month. Small hobby turned coping mechanism, and I'm not yet selling any eggs to cover my expenses. Not sure yet if I will.

I know a small area will quickly turn to dirt with enough traffic. And yolk color does have to do with feed as well as other things. All of my birds have access to the same forage but their yolk color varies still by individual, haven't yet noticed any seasonal differences or if it's breed specific either. We bought eggs once that had white yolks, literally. Guess they were feeding white corn is what my research says and that there was no nutritional difference..... Certainly looked different. And I know some feeds use marigold petals to increase yolk color as well.

 

[ladyearth]

I saw it in a health food store years ago Bell and Evans if that is the right name sells pasture raised poultry.
wow lots of chickens.you have
tried fodder sev years ago too much trouble. I even grew it in their main runs before the area was enlarged to 1/2 acre. they ate it some others were wasted. some went moldy on me. some the grain moths got into the "seeds" esp the BOSS seeds.
I kind of wish I would have taken one of the girls who has the worse "runs" with us and took a sample of fresh poo from her and handed it to that lab in a container and asked them to test it for whatever. Instead of mailing it in.and send results to that vet cause its a 4hr drive total
thank anyway you are not offending me.... If I cant get to the bottom of this" Diaherre Problem" who knows it might make them all sterile.....

 

[EggSighted4Life]

I'm not growing in my field. Just in a couple bins in my kitchen. The barley sprouts do really well with minimal complications and provide about a 600% increase in weight and has 14% protein within an 8 day cycle. So ya, with that many chickens it can add up in expenses pretty fast. But I still do want to provide the best I can.

I really want to try sprouting peas in my system. And it's even been indicated that they could be sprouted inside my fermented feed, which would be interesting.

I spend a lot of time reading ingredients and nutrition labels. And it;s been very disappointing to say the least. So I am working with what I can for now.

Your normal vet should be able to run a fecal sample to test for all of the same things even though they aren't avian. Cost at my vet is $15. I would maybe gather a couple samples mixed together to get more of flock sample since that is how I would treat them anyways. I did buy a microscope to do my own as it seems straight forward and I can use it for my dogs and goats as well. Because I want to know I am treating the right parasite, not creating drug resistance super worms, and only treating when there is an overgrowth and prefer to manage otherwise with proper husbandry practices.

When you are talking diarrhea, did we already go through colors and stuff? Sorry, so many things going on and for me to check the previous page I would lose everything I typed already. Have you looked at other poo pictures on here for comparison already? Feel free to post pics, lot's of more experienced people than me that might have ideas.

 

[ladyearth]

yeah I have mentioned it over and over... The local vet only tested for parasites. That's all he said he could do and did twice. So it I want specific it has to be sent like where I took Pinkie Lee....
Oh I got the same lab report today in the mail like what I got from the vets office........ But this time it had "Molecular Diagnostics"
it said POSITIVE for Mycoplasm synoviae (PCR) and negative for Mycoplasma gallisepticum and Avian Flu ...Negative.
Fecal Flotation....... No Ova or Parasites observed
But its not telling me about the others
"Blakely" been Puffing up more and standing around more and not being aggressive when I gave them some cooked pumpkin and baked pumpkin seeds today... she been doing that more than a week or so now. yeah I know its colder outside. I noticed she was standing on the roost tonight too and not sitting down when I checked on them twice tonight right after dark
that why I better call that Main Vet School guy .....I don't have a NORMAL VET... The guy reiterated hes not a "chicken expert" over the phone again....
I just wish like I told yall long time ago over and over I wish I knew how involved it is to"raise chickens". Its like "groundhog Day" we have no life....
Hubby gets upsets when I tell him something new about one of them He says "it never ends". Its so true A new problem everyday
I guess the reason he gets up and feeds them and waters them and let them out is because... He know He shouldn't have went along with this "Chicken Business" or buying this Property... It is a long story... He lets me sleep. in every morning unless he visits friends or relatives back in former city.
He said he " wont euthanize them"...But we have to get them well again so someone might take them from us and give them a good home too. so we can be normal retired people again....and quit spending hours on this forum and others reading about chickens and chicken problems...
thanks yall