Hatching Eggs / Paypal CHAT Thread

[madamwlf]

Question- when someone advertises their birds as being from a specific line ie..Greenfire farm are the chicken/eggs that they are selling directly out of a Greefire bird or do they have Greenfire somewhere in the lineage of the birds/eggs?

Are all of their birds from GFF?? If they are all from GFF then I would say yes but it has to be all of the birds.

 

[RedBrush Farm]

Are all of their birds from GFF??  If they are all from GFF then I would say yes but it has to be all of the birds.

I guess what I'm asking is if I bought eggs from catdance silkies or Greenfire farm if I kept their birds separate and did not breed to my birds they would still be considered their line. But, if I breed their birds to mine, then I would no longer say they were catdance or Greenfire line?

 

[madamwlf]

I guess what I'm asking is if I bought eggs from catdance silkies or Greenfire farm if I kept their birds separate and did not breed to my birds they would still be considered their line. But, if I breed their birds to mine, then I would no longer say they were catdance or Greenfire line?

Yes

 

[debs_flock]

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You would/could say Catdance/Greenfire lines, which would imply you've mixed them. Just like you'll see over and over in marans, Wade/Davis/Presley lines because so many people mix them or have bought the mix. I know all my girls are the mix, my roo is pure Presley, hence his name

Deb

 

[RedBrush Farm]

Thanks, i am getting eggs from the swap So, do I say crazypetlady/babymakes6 line??

 

[RedBrush Farm]

We raise and show registered beagles. I'm used to having at least a 5 generation pedigree. I just wanted to know how to advertise chickens.

 

[mrheinz77]

I guess what I'm asking is if I bought eggs from catdance silkies or Greenfire farm if I kept their birds separate and did not breed to my birds they would still be considered their line. But, if I breed their birds to mine, then I would no longer say they were catdance or Greenfire line?

Just my opinion again but I think it would be better to state that the birds originated from Breeder 08)7. Unless the breeder sets up your pens, they are not their line anymore. Birds they may not have used you may be using. You are the one making the breeding decisions. Like I said, though, this is just my opinion.

In the past I said my Rhode Island Reds were Underwood line but since I'm the one that put the pens together, I now say my RIR originated from Underwood lines.

 

[CluckyCharms]

Question- when someone advertises their birds as being from a specific line ie..Greenfire farm are the chicken/eggs that they are selling directly out of a Greefire bird or do they have Greenfire somewhere in the lineage of the birds/eggs?

I guess what I'm asking is if I bought eggs from catdance silkies or Greenfire farm if I kept their birds separate and did not breed to my birds they would still be considered their line. But, if I breed their birds to mine, then I would no longer say they were catdance or Greenfire line?

I'm going to put in my two cents and then be quiet, LOL A line is someone's breeder birds; the ones they specifically choose to place into their breeding program. There have to be descendents and progenitors in order to be a 'line'. There are all sorts of differing opinions on what makes a line, a line...nobody is necessary right and nobody is necessarily wrong - just different.

In my opinion - a line stops belonging to Person A the moment they sell those birds to Person B. Even if they are a trio, and kept separated from all other flock members, they are still going to have chicks out of a clutch that hatch out, that Person A may have considered a cull for one reason or another. Because of this, that isn't the original line, because there would be no descendants or future progenitors brought forth by the original breeder. Thus, it becomes Person B's line, because *they* are choosing which chicks are culls and which are going to be in their breeding pens - Person A has no say so in which chicks are culled and which are kept, so really it is no longer their line because they are not picking their progenitors.

Also, environment, feed & nutrition, free ranging versus coop/run all effect a "line". One chicken from Person A may be the epitome of perfection on their farm...but once it transfers to Person B, they may not keep them in any sunlight, or feed them anything of nutritional value, or treat them when they have lice, mites or other parasites, or treat them when they are otherwise ill..or let them live in filth - but still let them breed constantly. Thus...that bird that was in Person A's line (in my opinion) is not the same bird at all, and will not produce the same eggs nor will it produce the same chicks. Chicks health is very much dependent upon the health and composition of the hen and the roo that created it. If those birds used to be show birds and are now an absolute mess because of Person B - they will not be the same composition as they once were and thus their offspring will not be the same line.

Like I said..just my two cents. My shortened version is "my line starts when there's a package of chickens with a shipping label on it delivered to my door".

[Edited to add]: Once I start breeding and selling Seramas I plan on advertising them as "My Name's line, originating from the stock of so-and-so."

(but I 100% respect the opinions of those who disagree)

 

[RedBrush Farm]

I personally only have birds I have put together from various places. I just see a lot of names floating around when I look at various web sites. I was just curious as to how/with who's consent they use someone else's name. For instance if we buy a new female to breed, the pups have our kennel name. But, the sire, dam and grandparents names are ours to use as well to say where the blood line originated. I personally would need a second and third job in order to buy Greenfire birds. I can only dream.......

 

[RedBrush Farm]

Again, I'm not wanting to use anyone's name but my own. I see places using the names of breeders with excellent reputations and wondered if this wes really how it should be done...