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Well...all I can say is that 'govt health insurance' (Medicare) has done a fine job of keeping my FIL alive.. He recently had a porcine valve replacement, had his thumb joint ground down and replace with a ball-bearing because of arthritis, etc etc -- all under Medicare.
I know lots of folks -- some of whom RAIL against "govt health insurance" -- who seem happier with their medicare than I am with my current private insurance situation.
Well...all I can say is that 'govt health insurance' (Medicare) has done a fine job of keeping my FIL alive.. He recently had a porcine valve replacement, had his thumb joint ground down and replace with a ball-bearing because of arthritis, etc etc -- all under Medicare.
I know lots of folks -- some of whom RAIL against "govt health insurance" -- who seem happier with their medicare than I am with my current private insurance situation.
I worked for the federal govt till I became medically unable. Please believe me ehen i say the govenment is allways self serving. this plan will not workas promised, it will not be more efficient, it will not save you money unless you consider rationed health care a bargain.
Right now we effectively have rationing because some people are not or cannot pay for health insurance/ care.
With this plan we will have rationing because a govt stooge will tell a dr provide care for xx$ a year.
A govt stooge vs. an insurance company stooge...sorry, but I don't see much difference. Right now, insurance companies dictate to healthcare providers what the "allowable amounts" will be for certain products, services, and procedures..
Frankly, I think I'd rather have a 'govt stooge' do it than a private insurance company stooge, because at least the government stooge is, at some level, accountable to voters and taxpayers.
Right now we effectively have rationing because some people are not or cannot pay for health insurance/ care.
With this plan we will have rationing because a govt stooge will tell a dr provide care for xx$ a year.
A govt stooge vs. an insurance company stooge...sorry, but I don't see much difference. Right now, insurance companies dictate to healthcare providers what the "allowable amounts" will be for certain products, services, and procedures..
Frankly, I think I'd rather have a 'govt stooge' do it than a private insurance company stooge, because at least the government stooge is, at some level, accountable to voters and taxpayers.
What will happen is research will come to a halt, new drugs and therapies will never come into use, WHY? There is no money in it.
Well, considering the fact that insurance companies already do what it is you're saying the government is going to do by stepping in and telling medical professionals what they can and can't charge for certain products and services, I guess I'd have to disagree with you..
If what you say is going to happen were actually going to happen, it would already have happened...but it didn't.
And it won't.
Well, considering the fact that insurance companies already do what it is you're saying the government is going to do by stepping in and telling medical professionals what they can and can't charge for certain products and services, I guess I'd have to disagree with you..
If what you say is going to happen were actually going to happen, it would already have happened...but it didn't.
And it won't.
Without the financial incentive no company is going to invest its stockholders monies into a project that the govt wont pay for (or as things are going the president might order it to be given away)
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what we're talking about trying in this country... We're talking about national health insurance -- not socialized medicine. I know that the terminology is bad right now (ie., "healthcare reform" and "national healthcare", etc.), but the reality is that 100% of the reform effort focuses on health insurance because that's where the problem is in this country right now.
You seem to have a misunderstanding of what we're talking about trying in this country... We're talking about national health insurance -- not socialized medicine. I know that the terminology is bad right now (ie., "healthcare reform" and "national healthcare", etc.), but the reality is that 100% of the reform effort focuses on health insurance because that's where the problem is in this country right now.
Nothing in this life is free, if its given away it was probably worthless. Except for love that is.
Comon folks, you cant expect the govt to just keep giving things away, there is no cosmic santa claus out there.
If you havnt realized it yet WE ARE BROKE.
How is the government "giving things away" if they offer a health insurance policy, a la medicare/medicaid, on a FOR-PAY basis? Sorry, but that's not giving anything away -- that's taking something BACK that's currently being given away to private insurance companies in the form of the trillions of dollars worth of premiums paid by healthy people with money.
See, insurance companies get ALL that money, and when those people are no longer healthy and/or no longer have any money, they get kicked off to medicare/medicaid and we have to foot the bill.
Do you see how that works? Think about it, seriously...they collect premiums for YEARS from healthy people with money who typically don't use much of their coverage, and when those people get sick and actually NEED the care for which they've been paying all these years, they get dropped...insurance company keeps the premium money, taxpayer foots bill for care.
Seriously...think. That's what's happening, and by being AGAINST national health insurance reform, you're only helping to keep that unfair, costly system in place.
Is that really what you want?
Comon folks, you cant expect the govt to just keep giving things away, there is no cosmic santa claus out there.
If you havnt realized it yet WE ARE BROKE.
How is the government "giving things away" if they offer a health insurance policy, a la medicare/medicaid, on a FOR-PAY basis? Sorry, but that's not giving anything away -- that's taking something BACK that's currently being given away to private insurance companies in the form of the trillions of dollars worth of premiums paid by healthy people with money.
See, insurance companies get ALL that money, and when those people are no longer healthy and/or no longer have any money, they get kicked off to medicare/medicaid and we have to foot the bill.
Do you see how that works? Think about it, seriously...they collect premiums for YEARS from healthy people with money who typically don't use much of their coverage, and when those people get sick and actually NEED the care for which they've been paying all these years, they get dropped...insurance company keeps the premium money, taxpayer foots bill for care.
Seriously...think. That's what's happening, and by being AGAINST national health insurance reform, you're only helping to keep that unfair, costly system in place.
Is that really what you want?
We spent and spent and spent, from the war on poverty through vietnam, medicare, medicaid, the free prescription drug program, the gulf war x2, the war on terror, to big to fail. endless extensions of unemployment. The money we spend now is Chinas. You are spending our childrens future.
I agree with all that....which is why I think it's high time the government give itself the ability to start collecting premiums from younger, healthier people with money instead of allowing private insurance companies to get them all and stick the taxpayer with all the sick and elderly.
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I agree with all that....which is why I think it's high time the government give itself the ability to start collecting premiums from younger, healthier people with money instead of allowing private insurance companies to get them all and stick the taxpayer with all the sick and elderly.
I have the solution, you will work the job the government will give you, it will be fair based on a government apptitude test and the countries needs. Oh also taking racial and sexual quotas in effect. Toally fair. the govt will collect your pay but provide a home, medical care, and food. Again totally fair and above board. We can even have all meetings and dealmaking on cspan to make it the most transparent govt yet. Time for change! Cradle to grave govt care. If you ask im sure that your request will find a sympathetic ear. Just ask...
Read your quote, and then think about what I just said...then ask yourself how it's socialism if the government that's expected to clean up after the private health insurance companies, allowing them to keep all the profits while WE foot the bill for all their would-be losses, finally wises up and says "TO HECK WITH THIS" and gives itself permission to compete in the free market..
That's anything but communism...as a fed-up taxpayer and someone who knows quite well how the government's going broke -- through little schemes like this -- it looks to me like common sense, long overdue.
Read your quote, and then think about what I just said...then ask yourself how it's socialism if the government that's expected to clean up after the private health insurance companies, allowing them to keep all the profits while WE foot the bill for all their would-be losses, finally wises up and says "TO HECK WITH THIS" and gives itself permission to compete in the free market..
That's anything but communism...as a fed-up taxpayer and someone who knows quite well how the government's going broke -- through little schemes like this -- it looks to me like common sense, long overdue.
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