Help Identify Mystery Marans Chick - UPDATED PHOTOS 11/11/09 Post #65

[amazondoc]

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The last time this topic cropped up elsewhere, somebody was complaining because the APA proposed standard doesn't mention TOENAIL color. Ooooooo, how dare we not include toenails?????

Another complaint is that the description of the eye color has changed from "orangey red" to "reddish bay". Now, that one's an interesting comment....but I have yet to see any photos showing a significant difference between the two.

Unfortunately, there's a few people out there who have swallowed the lies of a specific disgruntled ex club member hook, line, and sinker. Most of the time, those poor dupes haven't even *looked* at the standards themselves.

 

[Krys109uk]

Most of the time, those poor dupes haven't even *looked* at the standards themselves

I haven't looked at the proposed US standard

But then they don't affect me & I don't affect them.

My curiousity was piqued as to what reason one would give for changing the standard. If those were the differences I'm not so sure I'd have noticed.

I read something not so long go, on a link from his site.....sounded like you US marans breeders had been doing some serious knocking of heads.

 

[amazondoc]

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It seems like every time I ask somebody to quote significant differences between the two standards, nobody can post any. There have been tons of rumors floating around, but very very little concrete evidence.

I read something not so long go, on a link from his site.....sounded like you US marans breeders had been doing some serious knocking of heads.

Yeah, unfortunately there are some folks who are bound and determined to stand in the way of APA approval, and a few other folks who will simply do anything they can to damage the club itself. I suppose there will always be people who get their jollies from stirring up trouble.....but it does get tiring!​

 

[onthespot]

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Can you please photo of Copper Black roosters and hens that are correct to the french standard, ones you feel illustrate what we in the US should be breeding toward, as well as the color eggs they lay? It is okay if they are from the Continent and not birds from US. I would just like to know what I am supposed to be breeding toward. I have an idea, but as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. Please don't hotlink pics from the French Marans site. They are dark and blurry and small. I would like to see clear, well focused photos that show what dark reddish bay eyes look like, what proper bottom of the feet look like, in the blacks as well as the copper blacks. I would like to see the right comb, the right breast coloring on the roosters. I would like to see the ideal amount of copper color on the hen's neck. I would like to see an ideal tailset on a rooster. ANY of these things you can show from photos of your own flock would be greatly appreciated. They don't have to all be from a single bird. There is no perfect bird. If you have a good tailset on one roo, and red bay eyes on another, ideal foot feathering on one, good bottom of feet on another, spectacular egg coloring I would like to see a photo of your hen that lays your best color egg. Any of the above would be very helpful to me, as I am just starting out with CBM eggs from ebay, bought 3/08 on a whim, and I just have gone from there. Thanks for any help.
Patty

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

If you have some FBC I would love to see them myself. My DW has been asking and asking and the only help she got was "check the french website" and "look thru the archives of the group" So it seems the people pushing for the APA standard don't have anything reflecting the proposed stantdard. If you do Ione - feel free to post a pic

Steve in NC

 

[amazondoc]

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Actually, the person who asked for pics of show quality birds was also directed towards the photos of winning birds AT shows, which have been available in the photo section of the MCCUSA yahoogroup site for a long long time. I don't think she ever bothered to look at them, though.

I think everyone needs to also keep in mind that there is no such thing as the perfect bird. Expecting perfection will inevitably lead to disappointment.

As for myself...I *may* be entering a couple of BCMs in the upcoming show. I haven't decided yet, but the deadline is coming up soon so I'd better make up my mind! I only recently acquired a few black coppers in order to possibly breed some blue coppers, after ending up with a few splash coppers out of my blue birchen project. The black coppers I got are far from perfect themselves -- two are too dark, one is too light, two hens look pretty good -- but I know better than to expect perfection in the real world.

 

[Krys109uk]

Hope things are not going to get acrimonious.

Personally, I find the French website more helpful than anything else. IMO the photos are nice examples of birds to try to copy & I have not seen photos of better looking elsewhere.

If it is of any help this link leads to photos of some faults.
http://marans-club.club.fr/defauts.htm#livre

I couldn't spot it on the English version. Perhaps it is on the Spanish version for those who read Spanish better than French. (I can't understand Spanish at all).

 

[amazondoc]

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Oh, they got acrimonious a long long time ago.

I don't think BYC is the place to be airing all this political claptrap, though -- and especially, I don't think it's really appropriate to highjack the OP's thread. I just hope that everyone who has a sincere interest in the proposed standard will take the time to READ it before assuming that other folks are telling the truth about anything. And that includes me -- don't believe what I say either, read the standard for yourself!

 

[Steve_of_sandspoultry]

As I stated above

If you do Ione - feel free to post a pic

I guess I should have added that an explanation wasn't required. I think Patty had a great idea on her post.

Please don't hotlink pics from the French Marans site. They are dark and blurry and small. I would like to see clear, well focused photos that show what dark reddish bay eyes look like, what proper bottom of the feet look like, in the blacks as well as the copper blacks. I would like to see the right comb, the right breast coloring on the roosters. I would like to see the ideal amount of copper color on the hen's neck. I would like to see an ideal tailset on a rooster. ANY of these things you can show from photos of your own flock would be greatly appreciated. They don't have to all be from a single bird.

So once again if anybody has any pics of their own flock that could share that would be great.

Steve in NC​

 

[Krys109uk]

what proper bottom of the feet look like, in the blacks as well as the copper blacks

What do you mean "proper bottom of feet"? What is in question about bottom of Marans' feet in black & copper blacks?
As far as eyes go. I doubt anyone is going to say it has to be precisely this shade & only this shade, not a touch lighter or a touch darker.
More relevant than many of the colour issues is type....surely?​