Help! Identifying Coturnix Quail

[EmHen87]

We brought home week old coturnix quail and were told they were jumbo wild and pharaoh. Doing more research (because now I’m obsessed!!) I am not quite sure. I have several darker colored and white colored ones who don’t seem to fit the profile of jumbos/pharaohs.
Any help would be appreciated!

 

[Northwest_Wannabe]

Looks like you have a few rosetta or tibetan (and at least one tuxedo marked one) the grey ones are really cool, some sort of dilute or grey most likely, but they seem to be based on rosetta or tibetan so no auto-sexing unfortunately, a really pretty bunch of birds : D

 

[Quaicken108]

Firstly,
Yes yes yes! You should be obsessed with them because they’re cuties! (here’s someone I know who is also obsessed @Quailobsessed). I agree with @Northwest_Wannabe and besides the jumbo wilds and pharaohs you’ve got what looks like a few darker one which I think are Rosetta but could be the Tibetan mutation with at least one having a tuxedo marking on it. The grey ones are very pretty and I’m not entirely sure what they are.

 

[Nabiki]

How much do they weigh? I suspect that you got a mixed batch of colours that might not actually be jumbos.

 

[Northwest_Wannabe]

How much do they weigh? I suspect that you got a mixed batch of colours that might not actually be jumbos.

That's a fair point too, most other varieties haven't yet been bred to 'jumbo' size, I think among the pharohs it's possible you may have jumbos, although considering that you got a lot of 'not pharohs' it wouldn't surprise me if they're all normal sized :0

 

[EmHen87]

Looks like you have a few rosetta or tibetan (and at least one tuxedo marked one) the grey ones are really cool, some sort of dilute or grey most likely, but they seem to be based on rosetta or tibetan so no auto-sexing unfortunately, a really pretty bunch of birds : D

I thought maybe one tuxedo with the marking on the chest. But it didn’t appear like some of the photos I’ve seen online so wasn’t sure. They cream/greys are so pretty and I’m confused with them. Here is a another photo. The dark ones are pretty and definitely smaller than what I believe are the jumbo wild/pharaoh.

 

[EmHen87]

How much do they weigh? I suspect that you got a mixed batch of colours that might not actually be jumbos.

I will need to weigh. They are approx 5-6 weeks old. There are a few larger ones, with the jumbo coloring. The others are smaller. Including the greys and the darker ones. I was told they were all jumbo wild and she was attempting to cross breed with pharaoh for a larger bird with
Pharaoh coloring. Does not appear to be the case!

 

[EmHen87]

That's a fair point too, most other varieties haven't yet been bred to 'jumbo' size, I think among the pharohs it's possible you may have jumbos, although considering that you got a lot of 'not pharohs' it wouldn't surprise me if they're all normal sized :0

What does the sexing look like for these? I imagine it’s not based on chest any longer. Vent sexing during breeding?

 

[EmHen87]

This is one who has an injured leg. But many look like this. Although this one is much smaller and not “jumbo”

 

[Northwest_Wannabe]

Unfortunately cannot feather sex the "range" ones (tibetan and rosetta), so it would be via vent sexing. Or maybe if you saw one mid-laying an egg haha, and the tuxedo marking (which can come on any base color if I recall) can inhibit the ability to feather sex on pharohs and other feather sexing varieties, although it's beautiful. Color genetics in quail aren't really studied too well from what I've been able to find, but from looking at the plumage your grey ones appear to be based in rosetta or tibetan, with some sort of modifier gene (making them grey, possibly a dilute type gene?) But the grey ones are probably gonna have to be vent sexed as well!