Help! Unknown peacock malaise despite de-worming and coccidiosis treatment

[MontserratChick]

Glad you were able to bring him in, I know many of mine would have died if I left them out in the cold. Less froth and less yellow is a good sign, but lots of white could be an indication that he needs more fluids. I can teach you to tube feed if you're up to it.

-Kathy

And when I say white - it was a pool of liquid white and yellow with clear liquid around the outside.

 

[casportpony]

Glad you were able to bring him in, I know many of mine would have died if I left them out in the cold. Less froth and less yellow is a good sign, but lots of white could be an indication that he needs more fluids. I can teach you to tube feed if you're up to it.


-Kathy

And when I say white - it was a pool of liquid white and yellow with clear liquid around the outside.

Oh, I'm familiar with that white, lol. Not positive, but I think it's a sign of dehydration. Usually clears up on mine after I get 200-400 ml of fluids in them.

-Kathy

 

[MontserratChick]

Just had a biology lesson from my husband (he's got a doctorate in biology) describing all sorts of things about birds and urea etc but am not much the wiser as to whether he's dehydrated or not lol. Do you think it's safe to leave him until morning? I don't want to upset him too much at night - it's 11pm here and he's been upstairs in the dark for a couple of hours until we gave him some more water a little while ago. He's had 30ml of water this evening so far. The temperature in his room is probably around 73 F so he's probably not going to get any more dehydrated.

 

[casportpony]

Just had a biology lesson from my husband (he's got a doctorate in biology) describing all sorts of things about birds and urea etc but am not much the wiser as to whether he's dehydrated or not lol. Do you think it's safe to leave him until morning? I don't want to upset him too much at night - it's 11pm here and he's been upstairs in the dark for a couple of hours until we gave him some more water a little while ago. He's had 30ml of water this evening so far. The temperature in his room is probably around 73 F so he's probably not going to get any more dehydrated.

Your call... Might be best to leave him be until you can get a tube and then get 60-120 ml in him. Water wise, I shoot for no less than 5% of their body weight per day, more if they are dehydrated, and they almost always are.

One of you will need to go to the vet and get a 60 ml catheter tip syringe and a size 18 French catheter. I'll get you some pictures and you can just show them to the vet. The should be able to get something for you.

-Kathy

 

[allbirds4me]

I think it's just a countryside vet who does everything! There was a small dog in front of me in the queue this morning so definitely small animals. In my pretty bad French I tried to ask for metranidazole but she was adamant that the ronidazole was far more effective. She didn't have flagyl - or said something about it not being right - I can't be sure. But my husband had phoned before and explained the problem of secondary infection and she gave us a broad spectrum antibiotic for dogs. Each tablet has 50mg of trimethoprim and 250mg of sulfamethoxypyridazine - whatever that is in english. She said to give half a tablet once a day.

I gave him the tablet and then gave him a 20ml syringe of water with sugar, a little salt, cayenne pepper and a little more ronidazole.

On the plus side he was difficult to catch and fought me pretty hard, so he does seem to have some energy. But his poop is still just yellow froth. Really praying he survives. We lost our one and only peachick a couple of weeks ago (you were kind enough to console me on that one and it does look like he maybe had blackhead in retrospect), then last week we lost nearly all of our hand-reared Cream Legbars and Norfolk Greys, who we had transported 1,000 miles from the UK as eggs, hatched out and raised in the house, when a stone marten (fouie in French) killed 10 of them in one night, leaving them decapitated around the run. So we're having a really bad run of it if our beautiful peacock dies too. :-(

I can't quite remember why but I have in my notes to NOT give the sulfa meds ( specifically Bactrim or the generic form which is sulfa trimeth) in conjuction with metronidazole.
Sorry...n/t and cannot elaborate but maybe ( prob. ) Kathy can help more on this .

 

[casportpony]

 
I think it's just a countryside vet who does everything! There was a small dog in front of me in the queue this morning so definitely small animals. In my pretty bad French I tried to ask for metranidazole but she was adamant that the [COLOR=333333]ronidazole was far more effective. She didn't have [/COLOR][COLOR=333333]flagyl - or said something about it not being right - I can't be sure. But my husband had phoned before and explained the problem of secondary infection and she gave us a broad spectrum antibiotic for dogs. Each tablet has 50mg of [/COLOR]trimethoprim and 250mg of sulfamethoxypyridazine - whatever that is in english. She said to give half a tablet once a day[COLOR=333333].[/COLOR]

[COLOR=333333]I gave him the tablet and then gave him a 20ml syringe of water with sugar, a little salt, cayenne pepper and a little more ronidazole.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=333333]On the plus side he was difficult to catch and fought me pretty hard, so he does seem to have some energy. But his poop is still just yellow froth. Really praying he survives. We lost our one and only peachick a couple of weeks ago (you were kind enough to console me on that one and it does look like he maybe had blackhead in retrospect), then last week we lost nearly all of our hand-reared Cream Legbars and Norfolk Greys, who we had transported 1,000 miles from the UK as eggs, hatched out and raised in the house, when a stone marten (fouie in French) killed 10 of them in one night, leaving them decapitated around the run. So we're having a really bad run of it if our beautiful peacock dies too. :-([/COLOR]

I can't quite remember why but I have in my notes to NOT give the sulfa meds ( specifically Bactrim or  the generic form  which is sulfa trimeth) in conjuction with metronidazole.
Sorry...n/t and cannot elaborate but maybe  ( prob. ) Kathy can help more on this .

I'll see what I can find out...

-Kathy

 

[allbirds4me]

Quote: http://www.exoticpetvet.net/avian/droppings.html
And
https://www.beautyofbirds.com/poopology.html

please ctrl+F white

( plenty more " scoop on poop" the be found otherwise elsewhere of course. ) This is just bare bones if you will...good starting point I guess.

 

[casportpony]

 

[MontserratChick]

@casportpony and @allbirds4me Thank you again for advice for me to read when I get up!

I managed, with careful syringing, to get another 10ml down him last night and there was no white in his poop afterwards. Then this morning I've given him 30ml so far, with the ronidazole in it. (I might be spelling that wrong). Hoping that won't interact like the metronidazole! The vet did seem pretty on the ball, even if she wasn't used to the same animals.

He's looking really droopy and awful this morning but still alive. I force-fed him a little egg and the water above, and he fought me a bit more strongly than last night, which I took as a good sign. Also he started to eat his bread soaked in water when we put it down.

Kathy I'll try to get my husband to go to the vet to try to get a tube because I'm nervous putting water in his mouth in case it goes down the windpipe. Currently I'm just putting it in very gently and slowly and he seems to be swallowing well though.

 

[MontserratChick]

Sooooo I'm starting to feel cautiously optimistic... After two days of liquid yellow poop he's just left us two good, big 'normal' darkish poops. Can't see any yellow or blood in them at all. Am I wrong or is this a good sign?