Help with worms

[aart]

I wormed my chickens about 2 months ago with kilverm. I don't think there is any where close that could do a fecal test. I will make some calls today.

Those look like round worms, lots of them....
obviously the kilverm did not do the trick.

Doens't look like the AU chat thread is very active,
maybe @Teila can give you some 'local' advice?

 

[Teila]

Hey KatefromOz

I agree, while ACV is reported to maintain a good pH balance in their digestive system and make it a little uncomfortable for worms to live in; it is not a wormer.

Same with DE, it is not going to help.

As you have an overload, you do need to call in the big guns in the form of chemicals.

I also use Kilverm Pig and Poultry Wormer [Levamisole] available from Vet-N-Pet Direct [who I also use for most of my pets needs].

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/kil...132B87&gdffi=10600f223f474e1c9ae213f32fb3a662

It has two treatment dosages; the weaker dose only treating round worm but the stronger dose treats for more. BUT the trick is you need to redose after 10 days in order to kill any hatching larvae.

If you did not redose after the treatment 2 months ago, that will probably be why you are still having issues.

Or, you could also try Avitrol Plus [Levamisole & Praziquantel], also available from Vet-N-Pet Direct.

 

[KatefromOz]

Thanks for your help. It seems like an excessive amount right? I've never seen anything like it before

Those look like round worms, lots of them....
obviously the kilverm did not do the trick.

Doens't look like the AU chat thread is very active,
maybe @Teila can give you some 'local' advice?

 

[KatefromOz]

Thank you! I have posted a picture of the kilverm we use (and my wormy girl in the background). Last time we wormed them we did it twice. The initial worm and then again 10 days later. They definitely all got enough because my husband fed it to them individually through a syringe...we weighed them to make sure they had the correct dosage.
Keeping chickens can be so stressful at times...so much to learn! .

Hey KatefromOz

I agree, while ACV is reported to maintain a good pH balance in their digestive system and make it a little uncomfortable for worms to live in; it is not a wormer.

Same with DE, it is not going to help.

As you have an overload, you do need to call in the big guns in the form of chemicals.

I also use Kilverm Pig and Poultry Wormer [Levamisole] available from Vet-N-Pet Direct [who I also use for most of my pets needs].

http://www.vetnpetdirect.com.au/kil...132B87&gdffi=10600f223f474e1c9ae213f32fb3a662

It has two treatment dosages; the weaker dose only treating round worm but the stronger dose treats for more. BUT the trick is you need to redose after 10 days in order to kill any hatching larvae.

If you did not redose after the treatment 2 months ago, that will probably be why you are still having issues.

Or, you could also try Avitrol Plus [Levamisole & Praziquantel], also available from Vet-N-Pet Direct.

 

[Folly's place]

The most effective wormer that's approved here (and it's very effective!) is fenbendazole. For roundworms, you need to retreat in ten to fourteen days, to get the migrating larva.
Have you had a fecal done? It might be interesting too.
Levamisole is effective but not approved in the USA.
I think that failing to worm again in ten to fourteen days didn't help last time.
The roundworm eggs live very nicely in the ground, and won't die anytime soon. Either move the birds to a new site, which doesn't sound practical to me, or do something about the ground they are on, at least in their run. Can you bring in new dirt? Cover it with deep bedding/ litter? Deep gravel? Concrete?
Neither DE nor vinegar are useful here!
Mary

 

[KatefromOz]

The most effective wormer that's approved here (and it's very effective!) is fenbendazole. For roundworms, you need to retreat in ten to fourteen days, to get the migrating larva.
Have you had a fecal done? It might be interesting too.
Levamisole is effective but not approved in the USA.
I think that failing to worm again in ten to fourteen days didn't help last time.
The roundworm eggs live very nicely in the ground, and won't die anytime soon. Either move the birds to a new site, which doesn't sound practical to me, or do something about the ground they are on, at least in their run. Can you bring in new dirt? Cover it with deep bedding/ litter? Deep gravel? Concrete?
Neither DE nor vinegar are useful here!
Mary

Thanks for your message, Mary. I am i Australia so will have to do some research to see if i can purchase fenbendazole. Last time I wormed the chickens I did follow up with a second dose 10 days later. I agree that the eggs on the ground may be the problem. The chicken coop and run are on concrete which has a layer of hay. We clean it out regularly. However they free range during the day on the grass and in our garage (for shade when it's really hot). Not sure if there is anything I can do to kill the eggs in the grass?! Thanks again.

 

[Plip]

i do have a mister going on the grass

I had a mister going on the grass for awhile, too. I told him he needed to knock it off and use the toilet like everybody else.

 

[Kiki]

I had a mister going on the grass for awhile, too. I told him he needed to knock it off and use the toilet like everybody else.

 

[Folly's place]

There's nothing that will be effective to kill those eggs in the ground!
Is there an egg withdrawal period after you use levamisole? Check to see if there's any advantage to using it, fenbendazole, or piperazine, with egg withdrawals. Is Ivermectin a legal choice for you? Again, egg withdrawal times need to be considered.
You may be worming those birds fairly often if your environmental egg burden is high. Or, give them a bigger pen on newer soil/ deep bedding.
Mary

 

[Kiki]

http://www.usfarad.org/treating-layers.html
On the right side of that page there are some approved meds for Australia.