Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by juststruttin, Oct 20, 2013.

  1. 3riverschick

    3riverschick Poultry Lit Chaser

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    ~~Karen, Did you ever get the name of the LS breeder in ON you were looking for? Emily says he is still alive (but ill and from my understanding not doing great).
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    Hi callducks,
    No I never did. Can you send me a PM with the info?
    Thanks,
    Karen
     
  2. call ducks

    call ducks silver appleyard addict

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  3. 3riverschick

    3riverschick Poultry Lit Chaser

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    Reliable Poultry Journal Vol XXIII No 1 , March 1916 - February 1917
    http://tinyurl.com/kootsrc Page 431
    Used as an example of Symmetry :
    Picture of White Plymouth Rock which couldn't be faulted against the APA SOP.
     
  4. hellbender

    hellbender Overrun With Chickens

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    All those deserving credit, please assume it is given.

    I knew when answering the question from what appeared to be a relative neophyte, (opinion based upon orthographic peucliarities‎) that a dreck storm might be stirred up but I chose to answer it anyway.

    Thanks to those who express good will toward my son.[​IMG]
     
  5. hellbender

    hellbender Overrun With Chickens

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    Often enough in life, I have encountered people who actually required a picture or some diagram to give them a clue. Nothing works all the time.
     
  6. rodriguezpoultry

    rodriguezpoultry Langshan Lover

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    I suppose I'm one of the only ones to keep my pullets as breeding birds for several years before even considering passing them on to someone else?

    If I have a bird that I like, I'm keeping that bird as a breeder until A. Another bird comes out that surpasses that bird, or B. That bird dies. As I've said before, my birds don't mature until approximately 10 months, only 2 short months short of becoming a hen in accordance to APA/ABA description of the word "pullet." I don't consider my pullets hens until 14 months, however if I decide to show them, they will be put as hens once they reach 12 months of age.

    I'm not saying this as justification for setting pullet eggs, but only that one should take into consideration that you will be keeping these birds for several years in which to breed from. If you get rid of birds after a year or so of age, you must either be advancing your flock at a record pace or have very limited space. I am just now thinking of getting rid of a hen that I have had for 3 years. She has great type, but her tail is not as wide as some of the new pullets that I have growing up. She's also a bit short in the legs, but was a good breeder at one point. She's still pouring out the eggs at 3 years, but is overall a better setter than a breeder at this point. I can only put largefowl eggs under her, but better that than nothing. Point is, I didn't consider getting rid of her until I was sure I could carry on and improve the line without her in it.

    If all you have is pullets and a cockerel, this is what I would do:

    1. Wait until the eggs are an acceptable size. Don't hatch from eggs that are smaller than an average hen egg. The chicks almost always come out smaller than normal and for some reason weaker. Possibly because the hens are still not directing all the nutrients into the egg that would be necessary for a healthy, viable chick.
    2. Make sure your male, when he does eventually develop, does not have any disqualifications. If you only have one cockerel and he has a DQ such as a side-sprig, although minor at the time, can cause severe headaches to anyone that is not knowledgeable about effectively culling it from the flock through the generations. Even then, it could still crop up. Sprigs on the legs, just...just don't. You can pluck, but remember, just because the judge can't see it doesn't mean you're not breeding it into future birds.
    3. Choose your breeders from those pullets and cockerels very carefully. Don't make a rush decision on this. Watch them develop and really get a feel for which birds are better than the others. After all, this is the foundation for your future flock. Choosing a bird with a poor wing could be the continual downfall for years to come.

    Just some observations I've made over the years, but for sure not the come all-end all of poultry.
     
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  7. 3riverschick

    3riverschick Poultry Lit Chaser

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    I do. I am a very visual learner. I do best when I have guidelines, pics, charts and tables.
    Thank you,
    Karen
     
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  8. catdaddyfro

    catdaddyfro Overrun With Chickens

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    LOL great analogy Matt. I myself think a Camaro with anything in it other than the baddest azz, nastiest, performance version of a V-8 engine offered at the time is pure blasphemy and should be against the law. LOL But in chickens I still reckon there are so many options available and it is up the breeder to get them however they see fit to do so. Myself I'd love for my strains to begin laying at 6 mo old and continue to do so till they are 5 or 6 yo. or plum ragged out, but ones not likely to get all of them to do that tho. I'm a far better hotrodder than a chicken breeder. Hotrods are easy compared to breeding correct birds for sure.

    Jeff
     
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  9. brahmabreeder

    brahmabreeder Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I HIGHLY recommend getting some Keipper cages. I have five and love having them.
     
  10. rodriguezpoultry

    rodriguezpoultry Langshan Lover

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    A hoosey-whatsit?
     

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