Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by juststruttin, Oct 20, 2013.

  1. 3riverschick

    3riverschick Poultry Lit Chaser

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    Thankee , Jeff!
     
  2. 3riverschick

    3riverschick Poultry Lit Chaser

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    Low Rider Sussex

    I want to lower the chassis of my Light Sussex on their legs even further than they are now. Is there a way to breed this in other than just visual complementary matings? Are there connections between structure and station I should be looking for to help guide my way?
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    Karen
     
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  3. gjensen

    gjensen Overrun With Chickens

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    I hate to admit it, but I have to admit it. I appreciate him more now than I did. I am not saying that I did not appreciate him. Maybe I did not realize how much.

    When he left, it hurt. I was a bit surprised by it. I had never met him etc. On the internet, people seam far away. A little less real. That was different with Bob. He seamed and was real.

    I do not think there could ever be one like him again. There a lot of people qualified to contribute, but he was an unique combination of qualities.

    I do hope that this thread can be steered back towards what he had started it for. I am guilty of getting off topic as anyone, and I think there is a lot of subtopics that go along with the main theme. Some have tried to steer it back. Maybe it could be done. Bob was flexible and let the kids play so to speak. He reigned it in and kept in check in the right way. He did not scold or over correct. He seamed to be able to correct it by contributing.
     
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    gjensen Overrun With Chickens

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    This is a good thing this time of year isn't it? I only see the sun as an issue when it is hot.
     
  5. ronott1

    ronott1 Daily Digest Guru Premium Member Project Manager

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    Bob sent me a PM and told me to keep my Fogel....Reese or whatever RIRs out of the sun If I was going to show them. The sun washes out the red in them.
     
  6. gjensen

    gjensen Overrun With Chickens

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    It easier said than done, but it is ideal to have sun hit every portion of their enclosure at some point in the day. Sun is a good disinfectant, but so is fresh air.

    Otherwise as long as they have access to sunlight and their enclosure is dry with fresh air they will be fine.

    Sunlight is not just important for physiological reasons but is a behavior modifier to.

    For us sunlight early after rising boosts Serotonin levels.

    I did not do as well with my enclosures as I wish that I did. Part of that is I started putting stuff together before I had went through all of the seasons. Part of it that I know more now than I did. I am always scheming improvements.
    Another mistake was building everything in the summer without as much consideration to the other 9 months of the year. Heat and humidity is our most limiting factor.

    On the other hand, many a production bird is productive without ever seeing any natural lighting.
     
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  7. Zanna

    Zanna Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Relating to how the sun makes me feel, I believe it to be of value. When we built the 3-sided pole type shed around my chain link dog kennel breeder pens, we put a sheet of clear plexiglass roofing over the middle of each of the 5 pens. The front is completely open so depending on the time of day some sun gets in from the front as well.
     
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    Oh yes that sunshine is a great hormonal stimulant, temperature changer, vitamin producer, and as George said the disinfectant too eg: Turtles on a log in the sunny part of the day is not so much of a blood warmer(which it does a little bit) but it kills off a lot of harmful bacterias (cooties/crites) also. My dog smells a bit better after some time in the sunshine too than she normally does/would most any other given time LOL

    The buzzards sun themselves to great extent and all that is for obvious reasons too(pshewwie) LOL new word for sunbathing (buzzard bath) LOL

    Jeff
     
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  9. 3riverschick

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    I think that may be because they are eb (brown) based? In the beginning of the Light Sussex, the three breeds which contributed to it were eb, eb, and eWh, respectively. The breeders had a lot of trouble with brassiness, often caused by weather and sunshine. If I read the classic lit correctly, they stove for birds which would "stay white" regardless of weather or sun. Eventually they succeeded. From my personal research, I believe it was because they moved the Light Sussex from eb/eb and eWh/eb to homozygous eWh/eWh. About the time the breeders stopped discussing problems with brassiness, a bit later the eWh gene was pronounced. Now Light Sussex are described as eWh/eWh Co/Co S/S. ( newly, the Hackle Black gene pronounced by Grant B. has been added. Grant says without Hackle Black, the Light Sussex would look like the Black-Tailed Jap bantam. i.e., no black hackle at all. )
    It would be interesting to know if the Delaware fowl has problems with brassiness in the weather or sun as they are eWh/eWh Co/Co S/S with the barring gene.
    Best,
    Karen
     
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  10. ronott1

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    You are likely correct!
     

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