Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[fowlman01]

Hey you experienced APA folks -

When someone wants to get a new Standard put up for consideration, when this is done, does the general APA membership get informed that a new Standard has been submitted for review, or is this just kept secret with whatever committee makes the decisions on adding new Standards?

the APA Standard Committee runs the applicant and 4 other APA members who have bred the breed for a minimum of 5 years and have been APA members for the 5 years through the fiery hoops and a qualifying meet where 50+birds are evaluated by a senior judge who many times is on the Standard Committee. The membership knows if they read the Standard Committee reports, but most don't.

Walt

 

[gjensen]

Ron, I actually like the Naked Necks. I had just noticed the new dog, and that is no every day dog. I hope that you do not get a lot of UPS deliveries out there. 4 or 5? You will not have to worry about me visiting.

And I prefer the original avatar, LOL.

 

[Zanna]

Not to any degree at all? The ones I am referring to were not especially dark to begin with, but I thought that they were better than they are now. Maybe, I was fooling myself. Impressions are not always accurate. I am saying that I am going to take pictures of this years birds as I move along.

Zanna, it is going to be another twist to figuring these guys out. Logically, I understand it. It is just going to be one of my challenges. Slate legs and BTB is going to be tough for me. It wouldn't be if they were already well marked. I am trying to get them more buff, and have females with well marked tails. Then not have too much black.

I am just rambling, but the point is the darker slate legs is linked to my birds that have too much smut, too much black, and too dark. I am going to be depending an awful lot on a single pullet and male to help me get the color right.

Nope, no fade at all. My Marans with too dark legs (almost black) stayed that way, the ideal slate (in my view) stayed the same, too light legs have stayed the same. Now, my yellow leg birds different story, definite fade with time and of course the pullets/hens with lay cycle. A Delaware pullet I have from Kathy had almost white legs when she was younger and now at 10 mos. old hers are almost as yellow as the others.

 

[bnjrob]

the APA Standard Committee runs the applicant and 4 other APA members who have bred the breed for a minimum of 5 years and have been APA members for the 5 years through the fiery hoops and a qualifying meet where 50+birds are evaluated by a senior judge who many times is on the Standard Committee. The membership knows if they read the Standard Committee reports, but most don't.

Walt

Great! Thank you!

 

[gjensen]

Nope, no fade at all. My Marans with too dark legs (almost black) stayed that way, the ideal slate (in my view) stayed the same, too light legs have stayed the same. Now, my yellow leg birds different story, definite fade with time and of course the pullets/hens with lay cycle. A Delaware pullet I have from Kathy had almost white legs when she was younger and now at 10 mos. old hers are almost as yellow as the others.

Maybe, I was fooling myself.

I like the slate legs on this breed, but it is going to take me a bit to get them all right. It is not the color, as much as the depth of color, that is the problem. It varies in degree with the body color.

 

[gjensen]

Walt or NY Reds, would you critique the wing color on the cockerel that I posted? It is the closest I have.

 

[3riverschick]

Quote: Keep the Wabbit! Keep the Wabbit! Keep the Wabbit!
Bawahh ha ha ha!

 

[hellbender]

Ron, I actually like the Naked Necks. I had just noticed the new dog, and that is no every day dog. I hope that you do not get a lot of UPS deliveries out there. 4 or 5? You will not have to worry about me visiting.

And I prefer the original avatar, LOL.

Actually, I pick everything up at the nearest UPS/Fed-X offices. The mail is still delivered but that will soon be stopped, in about 6 months and that too will be picked up at the post office.

I am curtailing the egg production (sales) so much faster than expected because our plans have changed quite drastically.

Will still keep about 100 production birds but the best brooders will be used to cover our SOP eggs and you might be surprised how many eggs a pack of dogs can eat...especially if that pack has grown from 4 to 10 or 12 and some of them weighing upwards of 150 to 175 pounds.

As for you or anyone else visiting, You will always be welcome....all I need is a couple days notice ...Hell, I expect that of most people now!

My Patterdales are great at removing four legged varmints but will hardly bark at a stranger, hence, my move to a very high caliber of dog to be loosed after dark, until and unless 'circumstances' require that they be loose for longer periods of time.

Am I crazy? Almost certainly

....but I still feel the need to protect what's mine in an ever changing world.

I do live in a very remote mountain valley but when all calculations are made, we are only 3 to 5 hours from some of the country's most populated areas and in direct line of travel, should even a few seek refuge from the rotted guts of the cities on the Eastern Seaboard.

Charity begins at home and I have been preparing to protect what's mine for over thirty years and It's no secret to out locals, a few of whom will be welcomed because of our shared interest and diverse abilities..

Let me assure you, we are not in any way related to those idiotic 'militia' groups that go about looking for trouble. We just don't want any trouble but will be prepared for whatever comes our way...lol

So, welcome all to visit...just give the required notice.

EDIT: Along with freezing all that I have in the past for the chicken diet and even with about half as many birds since I sold the Australorps, I will also be freezing gallons of cracked and blended eggs and, for the first time, will keep the egg shells as well, from now on.

 

[thedragonlady]

Actually, I pick everything up at the nearest UPS/Fed-X offices. The mail is still delivered but that will soon be stopped, in about 6 months and that too will be picked up at the post office.

I am curtailing the egg production (sales) so much faster than expected because our plans have changed quite drastically.

Will still keep about 100 production birds but the best brooders will be used to cover our SOP eggs and you might be surprised how many eggs a pack of dogs can eat...especially if that pack has grown from 4 to 10 or 12 and some of them weighing upwards of 150 to 175 pounds.

As for you or anyone else visiting, You will always be welcome....all I need is a couple days notice ...Hell, I expect that of most people now!

My Patterdales are great at removing four legged varmints but will hardly bark at a stranger, hence, my move to a very high caliber of dog to be loosed after dark, until and unless 'circumstances' require that they be loose for longer periods of time.

Am I crazy? Almost certainly

....but I still feel the need to protect what's mine in an ever changing world.

I do live in a very remote mountain valley but when all calculations are made, we are only 3 to 5 hours from some of the country's most populated areas and in direct line of travel, should even a few seek refuge from the rotted guts of the cities on the Eastern Seaboard.

Charity begins at home and I have been preparing to protect what's mine for over thirty years and It's no secret to out locals, a few of whom will be welcomed because of our shared interest and diverse abilities..

Let me assure you, we are not in any way related to those idiotic 'militia' groups that go about looking for trouble. We just don't want any trouble but will be prepared for whatever comes our way...lol

So, welcome all to visit...just give the required notice.

EDIT: Along with freezing all that I have in the past for the chicken diet and even with about half as many birds since I sold the Australorps, I will also be freezing gallons of cracked and blended eggs and, for the first time, will keep the egg shells as well, from now on.

Keep the Rabbit, Ron ! Those frozen eggs , shells and all, are great for giant breeds, as I'm sure you know. Pressure cooked necks and backs were always part of my Mastiffs' diet too.Full of calcium for bone, and fat for coat.Back before Chicken McNuggets, I used to buy 500 lbs at a time from a processing plant for 15 cents a pound.

 

[hellbender]

Keep the Rabbit, Ron ! Those frozen eggs , shells and all, are great for giant breeds, as I'm sure you know. Pressure cooked necks and backs were always part of my Mastiffs' diet too.Full of calcium for bone, and fat for coat.Back before Chicken McNuggets, I used to buy 500 lbs at a time from a processing plant for 15 cents a pound.

The Rabbit stays as long as I do! I agree with everything you say...'Great Minds'...

Another tidbit...I have already mentioned that I feed my birds cooked green tripe...but in the past few months, I've been grinding it and feeding it raw. Less work, just mix it in with the rest of the mess. Each dog gets about a 1 pound of green tripe daily as well.

Here's the biggie...I also 'save' and have saved the contents of the stomachs. I freeze this awful mess in 5 gallon buckets and try to dump one per week into the compost pile. To the chickens, it's like some kind of narcotic and they keep at it 'til it's gone...then they scratch and dig around where it was.

Certainly it's labor intensive but it costs nothing more than begging buckets from contractors I know.

Darn, another EDIT: Dragon Lady....I used to buy beef tongue and freeze it to take on a circuit for dog feed...raw. They loved it. I also par-boiled a few tongues, microwaved them for a few minutes...cut into one inch pieces...it made the absolute best bait imaginable and It is almost indestructible. At that time, they cost .25 cents per pound...Oh...before microwaving, I marinated them in garlic powder, oregano and soy sauce, with just a bit of Old Bay..LOLOLOL