Heritage Large Fowl - Phase II

[thedragonlady]

All kidding aside...I'd much rather get goat or sheep 'kicked' than cow kicked! About the worst the first two can do is spill the milk but even a friendly cow can get a deer fly on her and udder or leg and kick you twice before someone can bet it on high-speed film!!!

Me too ! If God had meant for us to milk cows, he would have given us 4 hands !

 

[thedragonlady]

I'm not a chemist, but I suspect it is along the same lines as pickling. That the slime doesn't develop was just a happy side effect of feeding unpasturized apple cider vinegar.

My well water has a PH of 4.5. If I added vinegar to my birds' water, they WOULD be pickled !

 

[Arielle]

Quote: ROFL

 

[hellbender]

That's what kennel coats are for. To keep the funk off ! Never go into a buck lot without wearing one.

I have an old pair of coveralls for warm weather and a pair of Carhartts for when it's really cold.

A kennel coat wouldn't be much good when this big ol' funky rascal is rutting. In fact, gotta'

be very careful how you get undressed, that your hands don't get the mess all over you.

 

[thedragonlady]

I have an old pair of coveralls for warm weather and a pair of Carhartts for when it's really cold.

A kennel coat wouldn't be much good when this big ol' funky rascal is rutting. In fact, gotta'

be very careful how you get undressed, that your hands don't get the mess all over you.

My Nubian bucks learned at a very young age to follow their ears, as many human mothers have been known to teach young boys. No rutting , or socially incorrect behavior around me. I showed my GCH- ARHS Nubian buck without a collar, simply by lightly holding the tip of his left ear between my thumb and forefinger. When all the other bucks were being rowdy at the shows, Henry behaved.

 

[RedRidge]

 
That's what kennel coats are for. To keep the funk off ! Never go into a buck lot without wearing one.

I have an old pair of coveralls for warm weather and a pair of Carhartts for when it's really cold.

A kennel coat wouldn't be much good when this big ol' funky rascal is rutting.  In fact, gotta'

be very careful how you get undressed, that your hands don't get the mess all over you.

Milking should not be a dirty job...

 

[thedragonlady]

Milking should not be a dirty job...

Never had much success in milking a buck !

 

[RedRidge]

Milking should not be a dirty job...

Never had much success in milking a buck !

It's fun to add the rams to the herd at the end of the season and have an unsuspecting visiting teenager help that day. Just don't say anything and wait and see how long it takes them to get over their confusion and ask what is wrong with that "ewe"? Yes, we laughed until we cried. Mean, I know, but quite hysterical. I don't think the ram was so thrilled with having those inflation tubed "stuck" to him though. ROFL

 

[hellbender]

Milking should not be a dirty job...

I was talking about handling bucks...I was never one to burn the area between the horns of bucklings. While it does reduce the funk a bunch, I think the does find their men's scent quite exciting. What's that's dog doing in there...? Ugh...milking form the rear is a bit of a turn-off to me and what keeps 'berries' or 'clumps' in the case of sheep, from bouncing into/onto the bucket...

Gotta give you a hard time!!!

@: the dragon lady...not every breed has a 30 inch that can be 'twitched' with little or no fear of being seen! lol But good idea!!

 

[gjensen]

lol-- I don't work that way because studies don't work that way- studies are desiigned to prove something, not to disprove it, so to ask you to prove ACV did NOT work was not reasonable.

Perhaps your bacteria is different than mine; perhaps the minerl content of your water affects ACV different than mine.

As you tried the ACV and did not find it valuaable, then no study inthe world should convince you to use it. You already gave it a test. GOod enough.

For me it saves time as I cannot clean inside 1 qt waterers as my hands don't fit and kids argue with me ( they stll have small hands) so using a glug of vinegar, even cheap white vinegar, reduces the slime in the warm summer months. ANd saves me time and doesn't hurt the birds.

Like you I am one to question everything . . . . as I mentioned before the SOURCE of the information is more important than where you find the information.

FOr example--I question even doctors that with all their education can't know everything -- and . . . well I will point out that medical doctrs are very poorly trained in nutrition and dietitians are narrowly trained . . . so I never use them for human nutrition questions; and vets are only marginally better for animal nutrition questions. You should be seing a trend by this point . . . medicine and nutrition is not tied together . . . I would ask a homeopathic vet about vinegar though.

As for being the most misled generation-- I think it is just the opposite.

LOL.

It is ok to disagree. Nothing wrong with that.

Like I said, I bought into it, Made sense to me. At first.

Medicine has advanced to a point where a doctor cannot know all that is available to know. They are however, highly specialized in their own field. Every specialty is different. Frankly, some are simpler than others. Some are trending to dividing into subspecialties. That is good and bad.
Most people will have a good experience. We know so much, but there is so much that we don't know. Then much that we think we know, really we do not know. I have been running the doctor race for a year now. Many secondary diagnoses, but the primary diagnoses is far from me. My condition crosses specialties. That has been a big hang up.
I have had to learn a lot about my situation, and it is amazingly complex. At first I was impressed by the amount of information available to me. Until I saw how much that information disagreed. I am referring to research by top institutions. Vanderbilt, Cleveland, Mayo, etc. And they are moving forward so fast, that what was true yesterday is no longer true. Then so much is based on funding. This is a very rare condition so there is no money in it. Often much of it ends up incomplete and unfinished.

So my view is that we are a very informed people, but at the same time, increasingly misled. Just by the shear volume of information, we get both good and bad information. Equally convincing. Like in the internet nutrition movement etc. The average person knows more than ever before, but believes more untrue things than ever before. Anyone that has anything attached to his/her name is free to publish whatever they please. And people believe it passionately.
People that have conditions like myself are vulnerable to it. They are desperate for answers, no one has any for them, and they get on all kinds of tangents. There are a lot of snake oil salesman with Dr. attached to their name promoting all kinds of absolute nonsense. And people believe it. Not by the hundreds like 200 years ago, but by the thousands. Even the hundreds of thousands. These guys are not regional anymore, but have followings that cross continents.
Nutrition is full of these quacks.

And with how we are able to spread information, we perpetuate it ourselves. And we think that we are thinking independently. Somehow, we are all experts, LOL.

Everyone is familiar with the gossip effect. Information changes a lot among ten people. Include a hundred thousand and it is amusing to watch.

As a whole we are certainly very informed and very misled. I am sure that includes me to.

It is this way with chickens to. Often a knowledgeable and reputable person will say something and it is in print. Even true for a particular scenario, then many good reputable people apply it to every scenario universally. I see it all of the time.

It is good that our birds and ourselves is not as needy and fragile as we would think today. We both would have been extinct a long time ago.

For me, I am going to keep it simple. Fresh water, a balanced ration, fresh air, good conditions, some sunshine., and keep an eye on the parasites. I will leave all of the extras at the store for someone else to buy. I figure it a service because the demand is high.