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Here is how to do it. Temps must be summertime warm like about 80 degrees or warmer, because when cooler, the bacteria will not grow/multiply sufficiently fast enough. Reason I only do it in summer. Tried during winter inside home with 70 degree temps and NO GO.
There is another option, and it is to use a Crock Pot, set up to produce about a 90 degree temp. I do something similar with mini crock pots during winter to keep chickens water from freezing. I use a Dimmer Switch to regulate the temperature. I have not tried the large Crock Pot option, but know how I can do it. It would take a trial and error run with water as my trial medium. I would keep increasing voltage to pot until I achieved the 90 degree temp steadily. At that stage, I would replace with milk and proceed.
Two ways to do this. I do it the first way.
Fill a large cup with milk. Add to it about a tablespoon of cultured sour cream, and stir. Let sit uncovered until milk sours. Time may vary on temperature of course. The warmer, the faster it happens. At least half day. You will know it is done when it is kind of stiff. It will not be as stiff as sour cream, since it is milk and not cream. You should be able to spoon it out and it should not run like liquid milk. It should be almost like yogurt. Yogurt and sour milk are like cousins. :gig
This is your larger quantity of culture that is good enough in quantity to make a gallon of milk sour. Add to your milk and stir. Again let it sit uncovered until your whole gallon of milk turns to sour milk. (yogurt like)
I do like to drink this sour milk, since it tastes similar to butter milk. Goes well with potato based summer time meals. I usually make it for this type consumption in individual cups and refrigerate.
Second way would be to use a whole sour cream container quantity per gallon of milk. Again, wait until milk turns into sour milk.
To make cheese, the next step is to heat the sour milk.
This step gets a little tricky, since it has to be done very slowly. Place on stovetop and provide the smallest fire/heat you can. Too fast or hot, and if it would come to boil :smack, means it would be wasted. After about 2 hours or so, you will notice the the milk will start to congeal and separate into milk solids and whey liquid. (if nothing happened in 2 hours, increase temp slightly) The whey is yellowish in color. Your cheese in progress resembles like river ice bergs with whey in between the ice bergs looking like the water. Give it about another hour and turn off heat. This is my time estimate. It may vary for you. Let cool. DO NOT STIR.
If all the milk curdled properly, then you just gently ladle contents into cheese cloth in a strainer. After it drains for a good while, remove cheesecloth and cheese, and tie closed, and press out to desired firmness.
If you choose to use to make cheese cake, you can skip pressing and use just strained.
Please understand that when I'm making this, I use my judgment of observations that I have done over the years. I don't have time recorded, or temperature thermometer checked, or time to cool down ether.
Try a small batch and experiment. If it does not work out soo perfectly the first time, you will learn what to do better second time.
Some things that may not turn out at first attempt.
1. Milk did not sour sufficiently. Need to let it process longer. It is not likely that it will oversour.
2. Milk did not curdle sufficiently, and when laydeled into strainer, milk poured thru. The stovetop heating should have been longer. The cheese cloth should catch all the milk solids. The yellow whey is all that should pass thru the cheese cloth.
3. When you press the cheese out place between plates, or bread boards and place a weight. 4 or 5 pounds is a good start. Let press in refrigerator for a day or so.
The longer it presses, the firmer your cheese will be.

When I make some cheese this coming summer when it is warm/hot, I will note the temps and times so I will have better figures to post.
The above gives a good guide to making it yourself with some details that can be tweaked to each individual's differences. Experimenting with a gallon of milk is not a budget breaker even if it fails the first time. :)

Thank you Thank You me and my wife are actually getting ready to start making our own cheese's and milk based products at home cause our will be calving soon and we are going to have FRESH milk instead of store bought crap cause well like this forum saz homemade VS store bought i will take homemade ANY DAY i grew up on fresh milk so much i used to get my cup of coffee in the am and literally walk out to the cow to get my milk for it (or open the milk tank and scoop the cream off the top ahhhh the good ol days :D ) wifey is on the kick right now ohhh gotta get 2% milk from the store :barniei keep askher what are you gonna do whjen we start getting fresh milk? :lau i get no awnser :lau Do you use store bought milk for this process? Have you tried with fresh milk and what differance would it be? im sure there would be some kind of differance... Have you tried making any other cheeses? Like i said when we start getting fresh milk we want to start making all sorts of things milk base. I though i saw somewhere in this forum bought a cpl of users making soaps... but i think they were dish soap??? or luandry soap??? with essential oils i think i cant remember :lol:
OH have you tried the second way.. making the cake form? i might try both ways

PS you will all learn that my spelling SUCKS and i apologize... even the spell checker saz i suck and thats sad.... :lau:lau

Thanks again and sorry for being a pain in the beep :cool:
 
Way back in time, when I was a lil tyke, I used to go to the farm next to us, (we lived among farms, but did not have a farm) and bring a quantity of milk home . We had no refrigerators then. My mom would set a portion of milk out to sour. It soured by itself since it was fresh from cow and contained the bacteria culture from within the cow. The other time when not making a sour milk or cheese, mom would pasteurize the milk on our coal fired stove. Later we had an Electric hot plate. Milk stayed on the kitchen counter.
The cheese we made was only this type. It is called Farmer's cheese, Fresh cheese, Queso Fresco in Mexican Grocery Markets.
The other varieties of cheese require a specific different bacteria strain. If you do any research you will come across how the people of different regions would use sheep stomachs (already processed and used as container vessels) to start their cheese. Today, cheese is made with carefully separated and controlled cheese cultures. There are soo many types of cheese, and each contain a different strain of this beneficial bacteria.
If you are going to use your own milk for cheese making, then I suggest you do some research on the possibility of encountering salmonella bacteria. I do not know enough about it, and we never encountered it in the milk from the farm next to us.
If you pasteurize your milk, and use store purchased sour cream as your culture, then you are definitely in the GREEN ZONE as far as safety. Once you have a culture going, just keep using it rather than remaking it from sour cream. Sour cream is just the initial source to make your own culture.
I know a couple Dairy farmers, they do not live in area. When I do casually discuss their farming, and such, I know their milk (along with the rest of the farms that is collected into large trucks) is all pasteurized. Not sure how much, but some of the milk the trucks collect may have salmonella. Again, I do not know if source is from inside cow, or from the surface of the udders on a cow.:idunno Same goes for the possibility of salmonella from chicken eggs. I do not eat raw eggs, now, but did as a child. Some Taverns/bars have raw eggs available to patrons wanting in their beer.. I prefer my brew egg free.:)
 
I have the sanding table back together.

a picture of the new bearings in place of the old bushings.

Here is how to do it. Temps must be summertime warm like about 80 degrees or warmer, because when cooler, the bacteria will not grow/multiply sufficiently fast enough. Reason I only do it in summer. Tried during winter inside home with 70 degree temps and NO GO.
There is another option, and it is to use a Crock Pot, set up to produce about a 90 degree temp. I do something similar with mini crock pots during winter to keep chickens water from freezing. I use a Dimmer Switch to regulate the temperature. I have not tried the large Crock Pot option, but know how I can do it. It would take a trial and error run with water as my trial medium. I would keep increasing voltage to pot until I achieved the 90 degree temp steadily. At that stage, I would replace with milk and proceed.
Two ways to do this. I do it the first way.
Fill a large cup with milk. Add to it about a tablespoon of cultured sour cream, and stir. Let sit uncovered until milk sours. Time may vary on temperature of course. The warmer, the faster it happens. At least half day. You will know it is done when it is kind of stiff. It will not be as stiff as sour cream, since it is milk and not cream. You should be able to spoon it out and it should not run like liquid milk. It should be almost like yogurt. Yogurt and sour milk are like cousins. :gig
This is your larger quantity of culture that is good enough in quantity to make a gallon of milk sour. Add to your milk and stir. Again let it sit uncovered until your whole gallon of milk turns to sour milk. (yogurt like)
I do like to drink this sour milk, since it tastes similar to butter milk. Goes well with potato based summer time meals. I usually make it for this type consumption in individual cups and refrigerate.
Second way would be to use a whole sour cream container quantity per gallon of milk. Again, wait until milk turns into sour milk.
To make cheese, the next step is to heat the sour milk.
This step gets a little tricky, since it has to be done very slowly. Place on stovetop and provide the smallest fire/heat you can. Too fast or hot, and if it would come to boil :smack, means it would be wasted. After about 2 hours or so, you will notice the the milk will start to congeal and separate into milk solids and whey liquid. (if nothing happened in 2 hours, increase temp slightly) The whey is yellowish in color. Your cheese in progress resembles like river ice bergs with whey in between the ice bergs looking like the water. Give it about another hour and turn off heat. This is my time estimate. It may vary for you. Let cool. DO NOT STIR.
If all the milk curdled properly, then you just gently ladle contents into cheese cloth in a strainer. After it drains for a good while, remove cheesecloth and cheese, and tie closed, and press out to desired firmness.
If you choose to use to make cheese cake, you can skip pressing and use just strained.
Please understand that when I'm making this, I use my judgment of observations that I have done over the years. I don't have time recorded, or temperature thermometer checked, or time to cool down ether.
Try a small batch and experiment. If it does not work out soo perfectly the first time, you will learn what to do better second time.
Some things that may not turn out at first attempt.
1. Milk did not sour sufficiently. Need to let it process longer. It is not likely that it will oversour.
2. Milk did not curdle sufficiently, and when laydeled into strainer, milk poured thru. The stovetop heating should have been longer. The cheese cloth should catch all the milk solids. The yellow whey is all that should pass thru the cheese cloth.
3. When you press the cheese out place between plates, or bread boards and place a weight. 4 or 5 pounds is a good start. Let press in refrigerator for a day or so.
The longer it presses, the firmer your cheese will be.

When I make some cheese this coming summer when it is warm/hot, I will note the temps and times so I will have better figures to post.
The above gives a good guide to making it yourself with some details that can be tweaked to each individual's differences. Experimenting with a gallon of milk is not a budget breaker even if it fails the first time. :)

we do not have whole milk any more, but when we had goats, we used the oven instead of a burner on the stove.

I often was tempted to use one of my
GQF sportsman incubators..

if doing it on a top burner, maybe put the milk container in a kettle of water ?
double boiler effect ..
 
we do not have whole milk any more, but when we had goats, we used the oven instead of a burner on the stove.

I often was tempted to use one of my
GQF sportsman incubators..

if doing it on a top burner, maybe put the milk container in a kettle of water ?
double boiler effect ..
Great IDEAS.. The incubator certainly would do the job. (to promote the bacteria action quickly) :thumbsup
Did you use the oven to curdle the soured milk?? That sounds like a good Idea, What temp would you set the oven to?
What kind of cheese would you end up with using Goat Milk? Was it similar to that of cow milk?
I have eaten goat cheese and it seemed too rich for my taste buds.
Anything COW,,,,, and I'm IN :caf
 
I shouldn't have said "we".. My wife is the one. she used to make yogurt..
I couldn't tell you which is better between the goat and cow milk yogurt, because I do not like yogurt..
my wife's grandma used to put cows milk in large jars. let it sit on the kitchen counter and eventually the whey would settle to the bottom of the jar.. To me it just looked like it spoiled. However, I don't know what she did with the stuff..and I didn't care..

I do know that the oven was just warmed up and then shut off.
I bake bread and that is how I heat the oven to proof the bread dough.
anything over 110F will kill the yeast. so I assume that is also the case with milk culture..
when I worked at Dixie Creme Donuts, we added water at about 100F to the flour..
then the yeast went in after the flour & water were mixed.

......jiminwisc.....
 
This is not totally home built, but it has been modified by me. Purchased these many years back. The wood slats rotted being in the outdoors. They came from cheap wood. I redid the boards with cedar. Cedar is rot resistant for long time. Nothing is FOREVER. I varnish stained it, but after a few years it wore off. Weather, sunlight, etc. Was time to do it again. I have 2 of these benches. The wrought iron seems to live forever. The cedar is also great shape. The new varnish sure does dress it up. :thumbsup
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This is not totally home built, but it has been modified by me. Purchased these many years back. The wood slats rotted being in the outdoors. They came from cheap wood. I redid the boards with cedar. Cedar is rot resistant for long time. Nothing is FOREVER. I varnish stained it, but after a few years it wore off. Weather, sunlight, etc. Was time to do it again. I have 2 of these benches. The wrought iron seems to live forever. The cedar is also great shape. The new varnish sure does dress it up. :thumbsup
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re use is the key.. elbow grease is the answer to most things that can be restored, not thrown out.
good post.
 
If anybody doesn't know by now.. we hatch a lot of chicks. When people want to only pay pennies for chicks, I'm not spending dollars on feeders.
Took 10 mins this afternoon to cut a half pvc pipe/cut and nail a wood plank/cut an old fencing balance salvage piece..
Chicks can't walk and scratch out the feed, don't like walking on the thin wire cover because it is uncomfortable and now minimum waste from poo getting in it as well as no scratching permitted. A real 10 minutes.
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Not spending big bucks to make pennies. Just adding my pennies up a little at at time. To have bucks.
 
If anybody doesn't know by now.. we hatch a lot of chicks. When people want to only pay pennies for chicks, I'm not spending dollars on feeders.
Took 10 mins this afternoon to cut a half pvc pipe/cut and nail a wood plank/cut an old fencing balance salvage piece..
Chicks can't walk and scratch out the feed, don't like walking on the thin wire cover because it is uncomfortable and now minimum waste from poo getting in it as well as no scratching permitted. A real 10 minutes.View attachment 1371497View attachment 1371500
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Not spending big bucks to make pennies. Just adding my pennies up a little at at time. To have bucks.

Good lord Farmer Connie :bow keep pouring the ideas out and if i may im stealing them ALL :lau i love this place so many great ideas i keep getting its wonderfull i love it!!!

PS i got a repurpose im gonna be posting up here soon, if anyone knows anything bout cow poo and manure spreaders i am in the process of bringing back a 1983 ish 329 new holland box spreader that has been in the jingiys for..... id say at least 20+ years (i remember using it when i was like 7 and now im 36 :barnie whoops my subtraction was a lil off ):lau anywho ya get it i didnt get pics when it was in the jingys but i got them when it was in the garage and let me tell you the wheels were both at 45 degree angels mmmm kay :lau but tthats coming up soon :D
 

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