How many chickens would you need to keep to supply all the meat and eggs your family eats?

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It super can when you look at real numbers. Certainly I get all my eggs for myself and two other households in my area from my flock of 9 right now with spares for hatching.

It's possible for me to raise all my chicken meat on my land too. It's just challenging. I almost pulled it off one year, we bought only about 4 chickens worth of meat that year from the store, but it was hard to keep up. Doing it in the fall keeps the neighbors happy but makes butchering very difficult because of the ice cold at the end of the grow out period. Doing it in the spring makes it smell terrible and upsets the neighbors. So we butcher in the fall when we do a meat chicken run but it's very challenging as a result. We'd do half every year but the CX producers won't let us order so few and the stores only have them in the spring.

I raise rabbits instead as my main on-site meat protein which are more practical for a smaller operation. But I would do chickens more if I was working with more land. As it is my back yard is 1/8th of an acre so it's not a postage stamp but it's not enough either.

Modern high tech AG says that it's about 1.5 acres of farmland (including cattle) per person when you buy from a store so that doesn't sound so bad. I feel like I could meet or exceed that on an intensively managed small scale and the land exists to do that and is in use for that purpose already. But I have 1/4 acre total, only half actually usable so it is what it is.
The land per person and the resources for every person to grow their own food or to eat from exclusively smallholdings exists in the USA. We just don't use it that way, even though we could with almost no changes to our diets. It would take a massive restructuring but every small step in the right direction works towards both that and bringing that idea to the broader public.

@Peepsi, it doesn't. I was plenty polite despite his leading off the whole topic with an insult and then he continued to not be. Then Shad himself told me I wasn't being blunt enough (and lamented how I couldn't be more blunt) so CLEARLY he doesn't want me sugar coating how bad his assumptions are. :) Additionally, I don't feel bad for calling out bad ideas with insulting conclusions as bad. Everyone has bad ideas sometimes, it doesn't mean the person who made them is bad. That's much more determined by how they handle it once they know it's indisputably bad.
Memes are a primary form of communication for younger generations and is directly humorous and an accurate expression of the moment. So I don't feel bad about any bit of it.
But I'd be happy to educate you on how younger generations communicate through pop culture and the integration of memes as an effective communication and highly nuanced language form for expression in a digital era sometime if you'd like. I know some people who wrote their thesis on it.
I think you and Shad are on different planets. It appears from his later posts that what he’s really interested in is raising mostly feral chickens in order to service local boutique restauranteurs catering to a market consisting of (presumably fairly wealthy) diners willing to pay a premium price for a sustainable chicken dinner “reared” and taken in a semi-wild setting. I would argue that this wasn’t made entirely clear either in the topic title or in the OP, but maybe that’s partly my fault for not reading deeply enough.

I found the OP to be (possibly intentionally) provocative and unclear as to its object. When I noted who had posted it, I overlooked this as I’ve often found Shad to be a bit... gruff, and kind of edgy—so I just ignore the perception of confrontationalism.
 
Cindy, I agree. Yeah. Again, I wouldn't have a problem if it used;

Real numbers that relate to one another (like western growth rates for a western diet, his weird feral chicken numbers for his mountain restaurant, etc.)
Or
Didn't make antagonistic conclusions about how futile and delusional it is to try to raise chickens to feed your family in the west based on those numbers. (Gruff and edgy is one way to describe it... Not the words I would have used.)

Either of those (or MUCH better yet, both) would make for an intriguing thought experiment. I'm always deeply interested in the ways we feed our families and provide for ourselves, what sort of resources those need and how much space, etc. Which is what I was hoping for when I clicked on it in the first place.

Hence, debating the numbers. I wouldn't try to compete with the american chicken industry using feral chickens either, but I think it's not good to keep chickens in feral conditions - too many losses both for welfare and economics. But nobody in america does. They try to keep american chickens in american husbandry practices to compete with the american industry, which is much different and much more feasible. As many of us have pointed out - we HAVE done it (as least individually). Even on small scales and tiny back yards.
 
I hesitated to write in this thread due to the assumptions being made by almost everyone here and the fact that I am new to keeping chickens.

However I am not new to understanding different cultures and what happens when lots of different cultures interact with one another. and now I feel I can respond as I've also made it this far.

Take 5 everyone, not everyone believes the same things as you do, nor do they believe your way is the best way.

I think sometimes we all need to stop and wait a day to respond to make sure that what we are saying is not hurtful, insulting, disrespectful or just plain not nice.
 
There seems to be an assumption that incubator-hatched eggs are less ethical than eggs hatched by a broody hen. I wonder why this is? Assuming that the eggs in the incubator are hatched by someone who doesn't overcrowd the chicks and keeps them in good conditions (say, someone on this forum rather than a commercial outfit trying to make the maximim profit). It is a less natural way of rearing chicks, for sure, but that seems like more of a philosophical difference than an ethical one considering that free ranged chicks are subject to all manner of hazards--but perhaps I am missing something. I could see how the chicks that grew up and survived in a free-range setting would be particularly wily and hardy (survival-of-the-fittest and all), and might be able to pass that on to their own future offspring.
It's an ongoing debate. How you view the chicken and yourself in relation to it is often at the root.
Lots of backyard chicken keepers don't have the facilities to let broody hens hatch eggs. or seemingly common hens that want to sit and hatch. before I took over the chicken care here they used an incubator to replace those lost through predation. They had never had a broody hen and had always free ranged the majority of their chickens. The people who owned the smallholding before did use broody hens but they were local people.
Chickens still got predated incubator hatched, or not.
I binned the incubator for lots of reasons. Every hen that has laid an egg in her life here has gone broody at least once.
My experience has been if you are keeping free range chickens, is that they integrate better and survive better if a mother hen hatches and rears them. It can take a bit of time.
The survival rate here is much higher than it was ten years ago.
The farm I was brought up on had a split system; they had both free range a battery chickens. The free range stock were all broody hatched and raised.
 
Personally I don't have any problems with integration or being predator savvy from a brooder. But again, my chickens stay on my land in my yard which some people don't consider "free range" since it's so small. I find that the older hens teach the youngsters about hiding from hawks, harrying stray cats and going to bed on time pretty quick and nothing else is especially relevant. The fence keeps anything else out.
 
The incubator chicks raised by a 2nd hen do great.
Of course I can't catch anybody easily since they are so spooky. I walk around with a net regularly so they get used to it by harvest time.
ETA
I do have fences, but also have trees that the canopy overlaps with trees outside of the fence...
 
When it comes to losses to predators, that is built into the sustainable free-range system. My flock looses a few birds each year to predators and even accidents (drowning in horse watering trough) but I must remove far more purposely to keep population size stable. Some of the culled birds are adult but the overwhelming majority are young of year and most of those are taken before 16 weeks old.

In the past, if a flock took a big hit or even eliminated, then the location could be restocked by taking extras from other locations to found another flock. Similar can be realized by getting birds from a neighbor which has been the reality for more most utility flocks for thousands of years.
 
I have found the incubator chicks that are brooded in the house, and the chicks those house brooded hens raise, are not as predator smart. It takes a couple of generations of broody raised before mine learn to stay in the cover.
Your mileage may vary
Thats an interesting observation. I wonder if the incubator and human reared chicks are generally more fearful.
It also makes one wonder if predator awareness is learned, or is genetic, or some combination.
 
The incubator chicks raised by a 2nd hen do great.
Of course I can't catch anybody easily since they are so spooky. I walk around with a net regularly so they get used to it by harvest time.
ETA
I do have fences, but also have trees that the canopy overlaps with trees outside of the fence...
I harvest at night. Birds must not be scared of me.
 

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