How to convince my mom to let me get ducks

[IdyllwildAcres]

hey you know chickens eat meat and humans are meant to eat meat too. you shouldn't feel bad about being born an omnivore, humans can't get the nutrients they need to be healthy without meat or chemical supplements, and the supplements can be risky. It's ok to eat animals. Plants are alive too and there is evidence they comunicate and can feel. The option is it dies eventually anyway and you bury and waste it? At least if I kill it to eat it I know it lived well and died well and wasn't wasted. I know this wasn't the topic, just when I read that, it makes me feel bad when people especially kids who need good nutrition the most, say they feel bad about eating meat=being human. Guilt trip over an unnecessary thing.. Good luck with your ducks!

I have not eaten meat in 3 years, and I still have a bit of a gut I do not think I am missing any nutrients. I think if we were meant to eat meat we would have sharp teeth... Our teeth are more like cows than lions. If people stopped eating beef it would have a greater positive impact on curbing global warming than if we stopped driving cars. Think about it. Small steps help as well, meatless Monday's is a good start.

Gary

 

[IdyllwildAcres]

My vote is with MOM she does not want ducks stinking and quacking and until you are paying the mortgage you will have to wait. Stop trying to get her to come around, she is the parent and its between her and Dad.

Gary

 

[DuckMom2017]

Well I suppose we all have our own opinions and I don't really want to get into antics. But this whole vegetarian thing is quite recent and I wanted to tell you, a person my age and my weight needs 53 grams of protein each day. I sincerely thank you for your concern but I am actually pescatarian, which means I eat fish. I've made meal plans and calculated the nutrients i need. With a bowl of oatmeal with chia seeds for breakfast, minestrone soup for lunch, and half a salmon fillet with brown rice at dinner, I will be getting much more than enough protein. Thanks again for your thoughts though @HeidiEmbrey !

Good for you for giving up meat! I'm borderline vegan( Haven't cut out cheese yet) but I feel better than I ever have! Don't worry about what people 'think' that you need to consume. They didn't worry about your protein before, they don't need to worry about it now.

 

[Bridger Davis]

I have not eaten meat in 3 years, and I still have a bit of a gut I do not think I am missing any nutrients. I think if we were meant to eat meat we would have sharp teeth... Our teeth are more like cows than lions. If people stopped eating beef it would have a greater positive impact on curbing global warming than if we stopped driving cars. Think about it. Small steps help as well, meatless Monday's is a good start.

Gary

You're right! Our entire body chemistry is that of an herbevore. Our teeth, hands, etc.

My vote is with MOM she does not want ducks stinking and quacking and until you are paying the mortgage you will have to wait. Stop trying to get her to come around, she is the parent and its between her and Dad.

Gary

I understand that I should give her a break, and actually, I haven't even talked to her about ducks for MONTHS! I haven't even brought up the subject. However, I have had chickens in the past and it worked out great for the while that I had them. I feel that this is very similar and I think that I could have my own project ( ducks) off to the side and she wouldn't be too involved. Thanksfor your thoughts though!

 

[DuckMom2017]

What you can do is volunteer at a local rescue to get your 'fix'
It looks like you're in CO...I just went out to the wild animal sanctuary last week and it was the best! No ducks- but they did have some ostriches!
Since you're younger too it would look great on a resume, you get to spend time with the critters, and your Mom and relax

 

[Bridger Davis]

Good idea! Sounds like fun and it would look good on the old resume!(that I have already started...)

 

[CarleeAnn]

My personal tidbit (from a young twenty year old who moved out when she was eighteen)-Plans change! Oh, how I thought I had everything figured out, Haha, those were good times! I never planned for my parents to get divorced and not be able to financially support me, I didn’t plan fall in love and to get married so young, I didn’t even conceive to possibilty of moving to another state (where property is much, much more expensive), I didn’t plan to get demoted at my job and frantically have to search for a new one, I never considered that I would be eating fish and rice for dinner every night to ensure my pets (that I am fully committed to) eat the best food available. That’s just scratching the surface.

Pets are a big responsibility and I convinced my mother to keep every single dog (4) I brought home, telling her I would take care of them, I would take them to College with me, no way I would stay in an apartment or dorm. She foolishly trusted her daughter thinking she was a mature young lady who had an undying love for animals- now my dad is stuck with three dogs (I was willing to take one because they wanted to give her to the shelter). Now I have two large dogs! We moved to live with my grandmother-in-law who said she could provide free housing for us while we were in college (turned her garage into a studio apartment), said she was fine with dogs (she can’t stand finding one hair on her clothes, laundry is in our house, and was very impatient when we trained them to stop barking- she wanted to use a shock collar but we used counter conditioning), she said she could support us when we needed help, we can have any animal except a snake or spider. Sounds like it worked out? She lost her businesses, is struggling to keep her (ours too) house, and guess what- we got our ducks already! Boy did I struggle to find an affordable place that would allow all my babies, it’s out there, but who knows how comfortable they will be moving? We don’t even know if we’re movinng yet! I don’t want this unstable life for them, I don’t plan on staying here for 5+ years so that means I’ll have to (and my babies will) move again!! But I made this commitment and I trust myself more than anyone else. I don’t want to find them a home, but if it comes to it I will do extensive research to find one I trust. This is a last case scenario.
Also, I have no social life- can’t stay out late because I have to put my ducks in their coop by sunset. Have to work during free time, while still going to school! I have to strictly correspond my schedule with my husband to make sure no one is being neglected. We have to walk our dogs three times a day because our grandmother doesn’t have a grassy backyard, my two large dogs (75lbs and 45lbs) are in a studio apartment with us, although they love it, it gets stressful being in sure close confinement.

You can do it, but I wish someone could have foretold my future. I don’t know if I would change it though! Best of luck. Sorry to dump this on you!

 

[IdyllwildAcres]

You're right! Our entire body chemistry is that of an herbevore. Our teeth, hands, etc.



I understand that I should give her a break, and actually, I haven't even talked to her about ducks for MONTHS! I haven't even brought up the subject. However, I have had chickens in the past and it worked out great for the while that I had them. I feel that this is very similar and I think that I could have my own project ( ducks) off to the side and she wouldn't be too involved. Thanksfor your thoughts though!

It is not similar, ducks are noisy, messy, muddy and smell much more than chickens. Plus Mom said no.

Gary

 

[HeidiEmbrey]

I have not eaten meat in 3 years, and I still have a bit of a gut I do not think I am missing any nutrients. I think if we were meant to eat meat we would have sharp teeth... Our teeth are more like cows than lions. If people stopped eating beef it would have a greater positive impact on curbing global warming than if we stopped driving cars. Think about it. Small steps help as well, meatless Monday's is a good start.

Gary

Please..this is a very important issue for me because I am a DEEP DARK GREEN environmentalist. Environment and human rights have been my passions since birth and I am in a life long WAR to save my planet understand? This is important. You telling people they need to stop eating meat to save the planet is turning people from our cause, and causing people to be unhealthy. My digestion was destroyed when I went vegetarian and my sister's digestion is completely destroyed from long term vegetarianism. Studies prove humans can not get the nutrients they need to survive without meat. All humans need meat for health. There are ESSENTIAL vitamins fatty acids etc found in meat that you simple can not get from plants and when you try to play with nature and do something so unnatural as stop eating animal products you throw off that balance of acids that we are required to have, you cause things like depression and even genetic changes like cancer. Going without meat is horrible for your brain, digestion etc. Your statistics are entirely incorrect. Globally, fossil fuel-based energy is responsible for about 60% of human greenhouse gas emissions, with deforestation at about 18%, and animal agriculture between 14% to 18% and they do not have to create an emissions at all if they are brought up in a sustainable way not the factory farm monoculture model we are using now. If you replaced that animal agriculture with grain or bean based agriculture you have to go through so much to PROCESS that grain to make it fit for human consumption that it would offset your gains. Cows and chickens process those grains and make it readily consumable to humans for us. Dogs create more toxic waste in the US than every factory in the US combined, But I don't see vegetarians who say be guilty that you are an omnivore to save the planet, I don't see them saying dogs are bad, dogs are not ESSENTIAL FOR HUMAN HEALTH. Please..Stop..

 

[IdyllwildAcres]

Please..this is a very important issue for me because I am a DEEP DARK GREEN environmentalist. Environment and human rights have been my passions since birth and I am in a life long WAR to save my planet understand? This is important. You telling people they need to stop eating meat to save the planet is turning people from our cause, and causing people to be unhealthy. My digestion was destroyed when I went vegetarian and my sister's digestion is completely destroyed from long term vegetarianism. Studies prove humans can not get the nutrients they need to survive without meat. All humans need meat for health. There are ESSENTIAL vitamins fatty acids etc found in meat that you simple can not get from plants and when you try to play with nature and do something so unnatural as stop eating animal products you throw off that balance of acids that we are required to have, you cause things like depression and even genetic changes like cancer. Going without meat is horrible for your brain, digestion etc. Your statistics are entirely incorrect. Globally, fossil fuel-based energy is responsible for about 60% of human greenhouse gas emissions, with deforestation at about 18%, and animal agriculture between 14% to 18% and they do not have to create an emissions at all if they are brought up in a sustainable way not the factory farm monoculture model we are using now. If you replaced that animal agriculture with grain or bean based agriculture you have to go through so much to PROCESS that grain to make it fit for human consumption that it would offset your gains. Cows and chickens process those grains and make it readily consumable to humans for us. Dogs create more toxic waste in the US than every factory in the US combined, But I don't see vegetarians who say be guilty that you are an omnivore to save the planet, I don't see them saying dogs are bad, dogs are not ESSENTIAL FOR HUMAN HEALTH. Please..Stop..

Laugh out loud, ya right.

Meatless Monday’s rock.

Huh bye

Gary