Humane Society to stop shipping of Baby Chicks (Look out Hatcheries)

[lorieMN]

there are many many slaughter houses out there that "do it" the correct way...again what you see on TV or Youtube isnt the whole picture..stop believing everything you hear on the news as they only tell you what they want you to believe..and they are all liers!!!..stop letting the media brainwash you..of course there are bad ones and they need to be dealt with,but you dont shut down everyone because of one bad apple..

 

[Edfewlass]

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all of the people that voted for change how do you like it so far this is just the begining wait till they get that 825 BILLION to spend by the way I seen Nancy poloosie (not sure I spelled that right) on the news the other day she said the way to help the economy was to quit having babies where do you think she is going with that

 

[Opa]

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It could if we don't make our voices heard. Call your congressman and Senator. Remind them we voted them in, we can vote them out.

 

[DollDoctor]

Gypsygirl, can you share your source for this info? I have searched the Humane Society's website and the web at large and the only source I can find is a posting on another forum. The Humane Society lists their legislative priorities on their website and they do not mention anything about live shipping of animals. But if I am looking in the wrong place please point me in the right direction.

 

[ODS-n-ENS FARM]

I agree the war and the economy are very pressing issues.......but what about the food supply? proposition 2 passed in Californa last fall.When it goes into effect in 2015 it will be the end of most commercial meat and egg farms in California.(This also will ban"cage free") Over 40 million animals are raised for commercial purposes on California farms and ranches.Given the economy not everyone can afford high priced organic/pasture raised meat and eggs.Eggs could come from out-of-state and Mexico but public health experts opposed Proposition 2 because it THREATENS increased human exposure to Salmonella and Bird Flu.I believe in treating animals humanely but the motives of the the USHS they are backed by an extremist vegan group. There is a lot of money backing USHS and alot of warm n fuzzy marketing that they start on young kids.People don't always look at the big picture or the long term affects of these bills.Also given the economy can California afford the $600 million they will loose in economic activity.

Then you have the seed companys ...the majority are owned byMonsanto, DuPont,and Syngenta. Pesticide companys.
Pretty much everything you buy that has a soybean or corn ingredient (thats not organic or clearly labeled gmo free is) could come from genetically engineered seeds. Do you realize Ecoli,Bacillus thuringiensis and antibiotics to are used to genetically engineer the dna.The corn is registered as an insecticide.There was no FDA testing required.
Sorry for the rant but people really need to look at what is happening to the world food supply....

 

[Tailfeathers]

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I would encourage everybody to go to the organization and actually see "where the organization is coming from". Most people don't realize that the organization is that largest animal-rights and anti-hunting organization in the world. The give more support (financially and otherwise) to animal-rights and anti-hunting organizations and initiatives that any other organization in the world. That's a fact. Remember that the next time they ask you to donate some of your money to save a puppy or kitten. Most people really don't know what they stand for or "are coming from".

Secondly, I have not seen the video of hatcheries searing chick beaks on a hot plate but I am guessing that is to prevent them from feather picking each others back clean and perhaps resulting not only in injury to other birds but possible death. I have never had to clip a birds beak but I know it is a common practice where feather picking is a problem.

Lastly, I haven't seen anyone mention this yet but I'm not through all the posts yet. However, if their proposals become law, it will also put a stop to Breeders shipping their chicks to others. While it is true that the ultimate goal of a hatchery is to make money, they have their place and have been instrumental in getting most of us addicted tothe Feather Fancy in the first place. A Breeder's goal is the protection, preservation, and improvement of a specific breed. Make it illegal for them to ship chicks and you're gonna ultimately harm the very animal you're trying to protect.

I had 75 day-old chicks shipped to me last year from TX to WA and not one single chick died enroute or thereafter. Hundreds, if not thousands, of chicks are shipped all around this country every year and I'd be willing to wager that very few of them every die from being shipped.

Remember, you will always reap what you sow, later than you sow, and much more than you sow. Be careful what you sow. This ain't good folks!

God Bless,

 

[buttons]

I really hope this dosen't go far. How elsa will I get my silkies? No one in my county even has one!

 

[Tailfeathers]

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The FACT of the matter is the number of hunters has been decreasing for the last three decades. Only about .6 of every hunter that leaves hunting due to death, old age, or other reasons is replaced. There has been a recent upswing in youth hunters but it is still far below the number to even maintain the hunting (and fishing for that matter) population. Don't take my word for it. Check the statistics out for yourselves.

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And that is exactly where the organization is coming from. In their opinion, the problem is people - or too many people to be more to the point. And that is what's at the heart of these proposals. Do animals have the same rights and deserve the same status and liberties as humans? It probably comes as no surprise that I don't believe so.

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I suppose then that you would not wish to see me stick the head of one of my birds under my foot and pull it off? Or hang it upside down and shove a knife thru it's brain while it flops around and bleeds out? And what about a bird that is eaten alive by a coon, possum, or coyote? Think of all the trauma that they go thru while they have a good portion of themselves eaten before they actual die from the attack! The fact is they don't go thru the trauma that you think they do. That's why God made humans the way they are and animals the way they are.
I know we need to make a profit to survive, but not at the expense of a living feeling animals last moments. I will pay the higher price to know the animals were dealt with humanely, not cheaply.

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Ditto. Don't wish to offend anyone. I would just remind folks that one may be absolutely sincere in their desire to do what they think is right but they are absolutely sincerely wrong. "There is a way that seems right unto a man, and the way leads to death." (Prov. 14:12. See also Prov. 3:5-7)

And now as Forrest says, "Daats awl I haf ta say bout dat."

God Bless,

 

[ODS-n-ENS FARM]

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Not sure where Gypsy got her info but I found this:
http://www.fund.org/pdfs/agency-issues-recommendations_2009.pdf

 

[Swamp Roo]

As far as the money involved in regards to hatcheries, don't kid yourselves. The hobbyist and the associated industry is a tiny tiny percentage compared to commercial agribusiness. All the hatcheries could close down tomorrow and the government would care less as long as the billions (with a BIG B) of dollars of taxable revenue from the commercial growers is not affected. I doubt all the hatcheries put together gross what Perdue, Tyson, etc. gross in a month . Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the the USPS is delivering chicks that go into big chicken houses. So, no effect to the agri boys, therefore...

Now gassing the chicken WOULD effect the agri companies. I expect ressisance from both without and within the government on that one. I'd bet if the organization had it's way we hobbyists would be required to have ANY chicken put down by a Vet or official slaughter facility. The fact of the matter is the organization doesn't want ANYONE keeping animals.

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Reread the quoted proposal, all Public lands. A huge chunk of the cash used to purchase and maintain those lands comes from the sale of hunting/fishing licences and the various stamps and permits associated with them. Even more money is donated by outdoorsman(outdoorspeople

) groups. Get rid of the ability for those people to use the land, and those funds will dry up instantly. The government might well have to sell much if not most of it off. I'm sure the "pave it all over" developers are already licking their chops.

As far as I'm concerned the organization is just about as fanatical as that "P***" group. Don't get me wrong, animals can't represent themselves so groups are needed to make sure they are treated "ethically" and "humanly". But it went beyond the concern of a group(s) of people a long long time ago. It went beyond cause shortly thereafter. It has become a religious cult. Group leaders aren't hired, they are ordained. This is worse than the government trying to control it's citizens, this is a private organization trying to get the government to control the population for them.

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Swamp