I <3 America!!!

[KristyHall]

ack no lock!! this thread was so fun too. darn it

 

[Organics North]

I see no reason for it unless the OP requests it..

ON

 

[Royd]

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You are right. Yet, it seems that in certain sections of the country, when met with a crisis, some just stand there, with their hands out, saying, Gimme...In other areas, everyone grabs a shovel, and gets with the program.
Sadly, politics is the reason we have swaths of this nation, who believe it's the government's responsibility, to be sure that they are fed, clothed and housed, and that's where the dividing line stands.

I never thought of it like that before.... some day I'd like to sit and have coffee with you. I bet it would be fantastic conversation.

Thank you...I've said that the best thing, any individual, especially union and government workers, could do, is to go out and start their own business.
They would, immediately, find out that government is not the friend of the free thinker and doer.
Those, in the position of govt. power, can only stay there, one way, and that is to establish a voting block [constituency] which is dependent upon what they provide.
Due to human nature tending toward laziness and ease of living, it wasn't hard to figure out that they could get millions trapped into a system of government support....Just don't give them enough to actually accomplish some dream, which they might have, unless that's sitting on the front porch, waiting for the next check.
It only takes, getting one full generation trapped into this mentality, and you have a nation of pliant and compliant sheep, and that has been the goal of the Democratic Party, since President Johnson established the War on Poverty, which was never designed to lift anyone above the poverty level.

 

[Royd]

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You are right. Yet, it seems that in certain sections of the country, when met with a crisis, some just stand there, with their hands out, saying, Gimme...In other areas, everyone grabs a shovel, and gets with the program.
Sadly, politics is the reason we have swaths of this nation, who believe it's the government's responsibility, to be sure that they are fed, clothed and housed, and that's where the dividing line stands.

I see your point... We have had that conversation before. I do not fully disagree, but I do not see it as clear cut as you state, and surely not a Democratic/Republican issue, both spend our tax dollars like mad.

ON
(Yes I am still a liberal socialist..)

How ironic....You berate the politcal division, in this country, then, gladly, proudly, tag yourself as belonging to the far left mindset.

In other words, we should all just get on your train, and forget about all that personal freedom and individualism stuff, and life would be good.

I'm a Bohemian Redneck Individualist.

 

[Organics North]

Royd that is fair criticism. I do not feel all should get on my train though.. Yes I have conflicts within my self! Don't we all? I hear of what you are saying.. I am self employed and suffer at the same hand delt as you, and from past threads generally find agreement with many areas of your philosophy.

However I will say I am not happy with politics in general, as I suspect many are.. Both of our two parties seem to be about corporate welfare first and giving our tax dollars the wealthy.

Some days I am a socialist some a libertarian.. Yes it is an oxymoron... But it is my belief nothing is black and white.... Especially at times like this... We got through the great depression with social programs to create jobs... We have many of those projects to admire yet today. I am not saying nor feel we should encourage folks to sit around and wait for handouts..

Peace

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[Dunkopf]

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The pundits and the politicians. Just like every other country out there. The very small minority controls everything and holds most of the money. They do it by dividing and conquering. Through the use of fear and misinformation.

I don't ever see the political situation changing. The economy is getting better in very small increments. We've been through recessions before. Usually after someone decides to do a bunch of tax cutting. Then the taxes go back up and we start moving again. It's just a big old roller coaster with everyone saying the same thing every time. Lot's of hand wringing and doom and gloom. The evil government will pull us through just like they always have.

America will continue to be one of the greatest nations on earth even with the problems it has. I always think what it would be like if I had been born in a 3rd world country and I'm very thankful I was lucky enough to be born here.

 

[Dunkopf]

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I believe other countries have a very skewed view of America. We have more freedoms than any other country with a functioning government. We are the only country that has no control at all over their press. We also have virtually no gun laws. Our social safety net sucks and our wealthy pay less than they should in taxes, but you won't see any rebellions in America. The only real social upheavals we have had were against racism and the draft.

It is still just as fruitful as it's always been. It's just that a much smaller percentage of people enjoy the fruits. As for people banding together. You might have missed the news coverage during all the flooding we had or the way people helped out during Katrina and many other disasters we have experienced.

 

[Dunkopf]

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I see your point... We have had that conversation before. I do not fully disagree, but I do not see it as clear cut as you state, and surely not a Democratic/Republican issue, both spend our tax dollars like mad.

ON
(Yes I am still a liberal socialist..)

How ironic....You berate the politcal division, in this country, then, gladly, proudly, tag yourself as belonging to the far left mindset.

In other words, we should all just get on your train, and forget about all that personal freedom and individualism stuff, and life would be good.

I'm a Bohemian Redneck Individualist.

Actually Royd the Democrats only give out welfare to keep a portion of their voting block and because they realize that it's important to take care of your population. What personal freedoms are you talking about by the way? You can just cut and paste if you want to. There really isn't much difference between the parties now. They give out much more corporate welfare than they do social welfare. The only real difference is the facades they maintain to keep their base.

Where do the people get with the program and grab a shovel by the way. I heard your Governor just canceled a high speed rail that would have added a lot of jobs and brought money into your state. Sounds like he took the shovels away.

 

[Royd]

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But that is exactly where "social justice" and wealth redistribution take us...As it is said, socialism works, until you run out of other people's money. At some point, the individualists, who pay the bill, will become overwhelmed with the burden of supporting the many, and either give up, and decide that they, too, deserve to get a free piece of the pie, or go underground/ black market, in which case, the government revenue will still be removed from the system.

I do agree that politicians are greatly influenced by the big money of corporations or unions.

I see the Tea Party movement as self igniting flame of freedom, brought on by the total corruption and heavy handedness of govt. Honestly, there is only one way for this country to survive, and that is to take the government back about ten notches, starting with a reworked tax system, elimination of entitlements and most of the government work force, especially, bureaucracies, which are only designed to suck the life out of the private sector.

 

[Moabite]

I like that we were able to have this interesting conversation.

Some arn't allowed to speak their minds. Politics are like parents arguing. Mom on the left, wants to make sure the kids are warm and safe and are treated fairly and Dad on the right, wants the kids to take chances and grow strong and self reliant. Both are correct but not always appropriate. ....Well, I think it should be that simple anyway.