I also need help on the breed of this horse please

[spiritdance]

Redcatcher, I agree there are some awesome stallions out there, and that too many behavior problems that get blamed on hormones in fact arise from poor socialization and distorted herd dynamics. I have myself owned a couple of intact stallions that ran with the herd, and did not have the kinds of problems - crazed pacing, flightiness, aggression, etc. - that gets blamed on "stallion" status. That said, though, the fact remains that in most potential owners' perceptions, a stallion is undesirable. For that reason alone, unless an owner is absolutely certain he or she will never need to rehome the horse in question, or unless that horse has some awesome genetic material to contribute to its breed, the animal will face a more certain future if it is gelded and properly trained. Add to that the number of "backyard" breedings every year producing grade horses that no one wants, and I believe the argument for gelding in most instances is valid, if not for the benefit of the owners, then for the benefit of the animals.

 

[Kelly G]

No matter what any one says, stallions do not belong in the hands of novice horse owners. Period.

And very few stallions are quality enough to have earned the right to stay a stallion. Period.

 

[Redcatcher]

I wonder what entire story is with Ivory Pal, the TWH stallion. According to one article I read, his owner had never owned a horse before. He took the stallion to several trainers who would only train him the traditional way so he began training the stallion himself using natural horsemanship methods. It didn't say he was a novice but it sure sounds like it to me.

 

[NottinghamChicks]

My first horse was a Morgan Stallion out of Benfields Ace. He was a puppy. I use to bring him into all the small shows as a "gelding" when I was a kid. No one ever knew because he only had 2/3 of his parts but mostly because he was so quiet and a total gentleman. Anyone could ride him and he was successful in every show fom backyard to "A" rated. He was a real good daddy and was turned out with his mares when it was time to breed, and raised many of his foals also. He threw both his amazing personality and confirmation on to his foals. He lived his life with pride, dignity, respect, and was always a gentleman, 'til the end.

There are quite a few exceptions to every rule.

 

[Kelly G]

I'm out. I fold.

 

[Redcatcher]

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If it makes any difference here, my stallion IS top quality. He's a registered semi leopard appaloosa with excellent breeding, conformation and movement. I'm not tunnel visioned either. I know a good horse when I see one and I know what crap looks like. I just choose not to breed him right now. I agree with you but we were talking about exceptions which is beginning to go way off topic here. The pony in question isn't stallion material and should be gelded. The only problem I see is that being an older stallion, there could be complications. And maybe he isn't a stallion at all. Many novices don't even know the difference between a gelding and a stallion. Just because he's got a peepee doesn't mean he's a stallion.

 

[Funky Feathers]

Ship him to me! I have always wanted a small pony to ride and a companion for my 28 y.o. QH mare. I'm not afraid to try and break him to ride. 12hh is not too far to fall from, hee hee. And the ground is soft here. My mare can't get pregnant (too old, we tried at age 23). Vet said her ovaries are shriveled up. So I wouldn't have to get him gelded unless his personality is too wild. PM me for my shipping address.

He is beautiful, I want him.

 

[misfitfarm]

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If it makes any difference here, my stallion IS top quality. He's a registered semi leopard appaloosa with excellent breeding, conformation and movement. I'm not tunnel visioned either. I know a good horse when I see one and I know what crap looks like. I just choose not to breed him right now. I agree with you but we were talking about exceptions which is beginning to go way off topic here. The pony in question isn't stallion material and should be gelded. The only problem I see is that being an older stallion, there could be complications. And maybe he isn't a stallion at all. Many novices don't even know the difference between a gelding and a stallion. Just because he's got a peepee doesn't mean he's a stallion.

I totally agree that this has spiraled way out of control! I simply wanted advice on how to responsibly take care of this horse and then make a decision on if I wanted to keep him or find him a new home. I asked what type of horse he was and what I needed to do for him. I realize that I am a novice but I am also not completely stupid either. I am 3000% sure that he is a stallion. His sac is quite large and intact.

 

[misfitfarm]

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[welsummerchicks]

To the OP - questions like this usually get answered within a post or two.

Then people start getting off on other tangents.

Those tangents may not be related to your original question, but they very often bring up issues other people need to hear, and hear and hear and hear, til they listen.

That's how it works with almost any question on any bulletin board on any topic.

There's a real good reason the old timers insist on certain things and repeat them again and again. Because they've seen, over and over and over for years, what mistakes people make and how they turn out.

To Kelly G, I hope you don't give up and fold. What you said needs to be said - even if people don't listen, it needs to be said, and said at every opportunity. That's our responsibility as horse people - to speak up and say what needs to be said.

Being the one who says it, never makes one popular, and I wouldn't expect it to. It is like anything else - unless you agree with the majority on that bb, at that time, you are going to get picked on or ignored or both.

People simply have very distorted ideas about stallions - such as 'every stallion is just a big old sweetheart' and 'all stallions need to be turned out more' and 'I saw a guy ride behind an in-heat mare once so all stallions can act that way', and 'because I had a stallion that was ok, all stallions will be ok for anyone, no matter how inexperienced and unsupervised'.

In other words, people who have a little experience with a few stallions, tend to have a very, very odd tendency to brag about how great they are, which encourages inexperienced people to think a stallion would be great for them too.

When a person gets their first horse, they need to have the odds on their side. And that means getting a gelding. It doesn't matter how many other people got a stallion and were happy with how it turned out, the odds are with the beginner who gets a GELDING....and also gets instruction, supervision, and a whole lot of other things.