Ibuprofen for Controlling Pain in Poultry ?

[sayccrn]

Can I just say how much I appreciate this group! Whenever I have an issue, I google and backyard always is the one I find my answer at! For today it was the advil for my girl. Who we think is dying from something liver. She was given melxicam, but of course I would run out for the weekend. I tried to get a script yesterday, but they never called me back and they are closed today. I found it on chewy, so I will order it there, but it will take 3-5 days still, so I will use the advil for her. It worked great. I didn't use the children's. I took a 200mg tablet, and did some math. crushed then dissolved in 15mls of hot water, drawn up into a 3 cc syringe, but only using 2cc's, for my birds weight, was perfect. about 26mg. Hopefully that will help her inflammation until the prescription can get here. Thanks so much group! You never fail me!

 

[casportpony]

Sorry your hen isn't feeling well. Good luck with her.

 

[Katanahamon]

Sorry, I pasted the link incorrectly:
http://www.vetfolio.com/veterinary-practice-issues/controlling-avian-pain

Still comes up w a subscription page..

 

[casportpony]

Still comes up w a subscription page..

The link is busted. Here is a pdf from the link:
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...rolling-pain-in-poultry.1250629/post-20064271

 

[Katanahamon]

I used to say it's not supposed to be used, but someone posted this link, so maybe it can be used?
http://www.vetfolio.com/veterinary-practice-issues/controlling-avian-pain
That says ibuprofen can be used and the max dose is 10 mg/kg (4.54 mg per pound 2-3 times a day:

If I were going to use ibuprofen I think I would use this - The max dose would be 0.23 ml per pound 3 times a day.

This was a 2005 study..right? Aspirin may be a better bet, but studies on poultry pain and NSAIDS are few, here’s a blurb conclusion of one study of aspirin vs diclofenac (yes..not ibuprofen, but ibuprofen is also a known kidney damager..) here’s a 2015-16 study..
https://www.scitechnol.com/peer-rev...infour-avian-species-roJO.php?article_id=4810

Overall the use of diclofenac even in 5 mg/kg bw represents a high risk in budgerigars and broiler chickens, especially in dehydrated condition. Nonetheless according to our findings the three day long administration of the lower dose diclofenac (5 mg/kg) was tolerable in quails and pigeons. However rehydration should be applied during the treatment period.

Avian species are significant in food production and some of them are popular pet animals that necessitate the effective and safe pain control in these species. Besides diclofenac other NSAID agents cause harmful effects in different bird species [12], according to these findings prior to the actual treatment, test treatment should be applied in birds to avoid the unpredictably adverse effects or fatal outcome. More studies are needed for detection of interspecies differences in safety of various NSAIDs in birds.” Ill keep looking too, but personally with all the info I know already about ibuprofen vs aspirin, I’d rather stick with aspirin..

 

[Katanahamon]

This was a 2005 study..right? Aspirin may be a better bet, but studies on poultry pain and NSAIDS are few, here’s a blurb conclusion of one study of aspirin vs diclofenac (yes..not ibuprofen, but ibuprofen is also a known kidney damager..) here’s a 2015-16 study..
https://www.scitechnol.com/peer-rev...infour-avian-species-roJO.php?article_id=4810

Overall the use of diclofenac even in 5 mg/kg bw represents a high risk in budgerigars and broiler chickens, especially in dehydrated condition. Nonetheless according to our findings the three day long administration of the lower dose diclofenac (5 mg/kg) was tolerable in quails and pigeons. However rehydration should be applied during the treatment period.

Avian species are significant in food production and some of them are popular pet animals that necessitate the effective and safe pain control in these species. Besides diclofenac other NSAID agents cause harmful effects in different bird species [12], according to these findings prior to the actual treatment, test treatment should be applied in birds to avoid the unpredictably adverse effects or fatal outcome. More studies are needed for detection of interspecies differences in safety of various NSAIDs in birds.” Ill keep looking too, but personally with all the info I know already about ibuprofen vs aspirin, I’d rather stick with aspirin..

Here’s the study referenced as footnote 12

https://www.scitechnol.com/peer-rev...infour-avian-species-roJO.php?article_id=4810

Abstract​

Veterinary treatment of livestock with diclofenac, a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID), has caused catastrophic declines of Gyps vultures in Asia. This has highlighted a lack of knowledge on the potential impacts of NSAIDs on scavenging birds. Surveys of veterinarians and zoos document the outcomes of the treatment of over 870 scavenging birds from 79 species. As well as diclofenac, carprofen and flunixin were associated with mortality, with deaths observed in 13 and 30% of cases, respectively. Mortality was also found following treatment with ibuprofen and phenylbutazone. NSAID toxicity was reported for raptors, storks, cranes and owls, suggesting that the potential conservation impact of NSAIDs may extend beyond Gyps vultures and could be significant for New World vultures. In contrast, there were no reported mortalities for the NSAID meloxicam, which was administered to over 700 birds from 60 species. The relative safety of meloxicam supports other studies indicating the suitability of this NSAID to replace diclofenac in Asia.

 

[casportpony]

Ill keep looking too, but personally with all the info I know already about ibuprofen vs aspirin, I’d rather stick with aspirin..

Here is aspirin dosing info for you if you ever need it:

Let me know if you would like the sources.

 

[sayccrn]

Sorry your hen isn't feeling well. Good luck with her.

Thank you, I think she is surprising the vet who thought she wouldn't live long. She hasn't tried to lay an egg since getting sick, so she may die if she ever lays again. But I will just make her comfy until she does. She's so sweet, breaks my heart, lays the prettiest eggs too.

 

[Katanahamon]

Here is aspirin dosing info for you if you ever need it:
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Let me know if you would like the sources.

Nope..you’re trusted..I like to scan for recent studies about stuff too, I learned how with my own health, 6+ major sinus surgeries and three neck sets of hardware, I got plenty of practice..I’ll keep the aspirin info for files, see if I can get a vet to give me a scrip for meloxicam for the “just in case,” but it would still be interesting to know if there are any other chicken specific pain relief studies..it’s a shame they’re seen as a disposable food commodity..

 

[Katanahamon]

Thank you, I think she is surprising the vet who thought she wouldn't live long. She hasn't tried to lay an egg since getting sick, so she may die if she ever lays again. But I will just make her comfy until she does. She's so sweet, breaks my heart, lays the prettiest eggs too.

You can limit her light to 8 hours to discourage laying if you want..in cases of prolapse it’s recommended for healing, but applies for some other stuff too..