Ideal MG discussion

[Zahboo]

pips&peeps :

FYI:

Just going thru my NPIP Directory of Participants, the following hatcheries are MS and MG Free:

Hoover Hatchery - Iowa


Yep, folks that is it........

Wow. That's.... shocking to say the least...​

 

[pips&peeps]

This is what I know or have heard about MG:

#1. It is very expensive to test all your breeder birds every 90 days to be qualified as MG free!

#2. I have heard from old timers that if you get MG, let it go through the flock. You should cull any bird with lingering symptoms. Supposedly the next generation will have better antibodies to the disease and it will still be in your flock, but eventually it will not cause problems as you have bred a disease resistant flock.

#3. You should not sell eggs or hatch eggs if your flock is having respiratory issues.

#4. It is rare to spread MS & MG through the egg as most of the embryos die from the infection, but not impossible.

#5 According to NPIP officials around 95% of the flocks in America have MS & MG.

#6 Wild birds can carry this disease.

 

[EweSheep]

Me too to find one hatchery is MG free! But they dont have a wide variety of assorted breeds that most of us want. Its limited.

 

[EweSheep]

pips&peeps :

This is what I know or have heard about MG:

#1. It is very expensive to test all your breeder birds every 90 days to be qualified as MG free!

#2. I have heard from old timers that if you get MG, let it go through the flock. You should cull any bird with lingering symptoms. Supposedly the next generation will have better antibodies to the disease and it will still be in your flock, but eventually it will not cause problems as you have bred a disease resistant flock.

#3. You should not sell eggs or hatch eggs if your flock is having respiratory issues.

#4. It is rare to spread MS & MG through the egg as most of the embryos die from the infection, but not impossible.

#5 According to NPIP officials around 95% of the flocks in America have MS & MG.

#6 Wild birds can carry this disease.

There you go! All in a nutshell! Thanks Pips!​

 

[Zahboo]

Thanks for the info, much appreciated!

pips&peeps :

This is what I know or have heard about MG:

#1. It is very expensive to test all your breeder birds every 90 days to be qualified as MG free!

#2. I have heard from old timers that if you get MG, let it go through the flock. You should cull any bird with lingering symptoms. Supposedly the next generation will have better antibodies to the disease and it will still be in your flock, but eventually it will not cause problems as you have bred a disease resistant flock.

#3. You should not sell eggs or hatch eggs if your flock is having respiratory issues.

#4. It is rare to spread MS & MG through the egg as most of the embryos die from the infection, but not impossible.

#5 According to NPIP officials around 95% of the flocks in America have MS & MG.

#6 Wild birds can carry this disease.​

 

[Reinbeau]

I suggest anyone with any questions or issues call the number Ideal has graciously posted several times in this thread and hear what they have to say, directly, instead of getting upset and posting inflammatory comments here. Really, they haven't been hiding anything. Do they run around with huge banners and announcements that they aren't MG free? No, but show me the hatchery that does. This is something we as poultry owners are going to have to get used to, kinda like dealing with varroa mites on our honeybees.....

 

[WalkingWolf]

Redhen what you have to understand is that a complete sterile environment for any cell or living thing is a death warrant when exposed to the outside. This is what wiped out the ancient Mayans. This is what almost wiped out some of my ancestors here when the white man brought disease they had never been exposed to. If you plan on a sterile flock then by all means keep them sterile and do not buy from Ideal.

Because Ideal flock is not MG clean does NOT mean it is MG infected, remember OJ? In your daily life you are exposed to many organisms and your body's immune system adapts and gets stronger. It helps it fight off disease, and as some of us get older we do not get colds or the flu. I have not been sick in 5 years, but I am not healthy either I have had 2 heart attacks. So I can not say I am disease free. And just because I am virus free does not mean I would not kill a person by my presence if they lived a sterile life. More then likely they would die in days.

What Ideal is saying, and I spent over an hour in conversation with them, is this. They raise healthy happy birds they do not stuff them in battery cages, they treat them as you or I would, and because of that they are exposed to elements in the environment including MG from wild birds who fly over their cages. And the point they are trying to make is that a bird that has never been exposed to disease(MG) and does or does not have it will probably suffer severe reaction when they are exposed and they will be. This is much like the explanation for the swine flu virus being so strong with young healthy instead of us old and frail. We have what is called a viral load, which helps protect us from most viral disease unfortunately it does nothing for old age.

 

[Zahboo]

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Um... idk if this is directed at me, if so sorry

I was just wondering...

 

[WalkingWolf]

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Correct they are not saying that their birds are all sickly with disease, they are not even saying their flock is MG carriers. What they are saying is that in all likelihood their flock has had some contact with the disease. They never said they had MG. They said they are not MG clean. OJ was found not guilty but most of us know he was not innocent. Kinda reverse... LOL

 

[Reinbeau]

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It wasn't 'directed' at anyone, just at the general direction of some of the posters here. If the shoe fits.....