If you had to choose.............

[onthespot]

Hey Kev, I have a lovebird hen that is what they call a "lacewing" but it just means she inherited both ino and cinnamon and the both show, incompletely.

Her eyes are deep red, not the bright red of a lutino. She is a really diluted cinnamon, or an incomplete lutino, whichever way you want to describe it. Her violet rump colors are washed out by the partial showing through of the lutino traits overlaid on the cinnamon traits. If she was pure lutino her rump would not show any blue. If she was pure cinnamon, it would be a deep violet.

She also happens to be orangeface, but that is just an add on, doesn't affect the weird plumage colors in her rump. Here is a pic of what i mean. Not trying to de-rail, just sharing genetic examples here.

 

[deerman]

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First BS is a pattern, not a color. Cameo x Opal = blue lookin ,males split to opal & cameo

Cameo have been around for year, and yes they have been cross with other colors. Never seen a peafowl showing more than one color.

 

[stuckinthecity]

I LOVE the midnight spalding peacocks. They are so pretty! I just wish the hens looked like an india blue.

Purples are really pretty too, and cameo are also a favorite.
I had a pair of india blues at one time, their 3 offspring, a white peachick, and a purple pied peachick that I lost in the woods =0

 

[Kev]

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I know. It was only an example showing how a bird can be both BS and any color. Because the gene for BS is at a specific location on a specific chromosome and none of the colors happen to share that same location. This is exactly the same idea as gene for Opal and gene for Cameo. Both are on different chromosomes. Therefore a bird potentially can be homozygous for both Opal and Cameo. HOW a homozygous Opal and Cameo bird will look like, I have no idea.. but onthespot's lovebird is an excellent visual example of a bird with two color genes combining to make a "different"color.


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Yes the cross will make blue looking split sons. My point though, is the fact that birds can be bred to be pure(homozygous) for both Cameo and Opal. For example, mate a male from this cross to an Opal.. and there will be a few hens pure for Opal but also inherit the Cameo as the male is split for both Opal and Cameo.. So these hens will have two colors, genetic wise. Again no idea how they will look unless someone does it.. maybe even more diluted color, or showing a vague mix of both colors or ??? (the lovebird picture, that is a perfect example of a bird with two color genes)

I too have not heard of anyone trying to combine two colors in same bird. But I also hear that some breeders consider that "taboo" though. What colors were cameo crossed with and did the breeder breed the offspring to make birds homozygous for both?

 

[Kev]

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Actually, major thank you for the picture! It is a perfect example of what I am trying to say about it being possible for peafowl to have more than one color. Also one of the possibilities of how a bird with two color genes might look..

I think she's really beautiful and far prefer orangeface over normal. Used to have lovebirds- orangefaces and lutino orangefaces plus lutino and yellow Fischer's. She must have a good temper- she's not biting your exposed fingers off! LOL

 

[Hoosiermomma]

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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!! I just look at the beauty and brilliance of my lovebirds and peacocks and am just in awe at God's beauty!
I do have the favorites though, the blues, midnight black shoulder and obviously white. I think whites are the ones I want next.

Deerman.....I am clueless when it comes to genetics etc. I am still trying to figure it out with my angora rabbits. It's like my mind just puts up a mental block when I hear about this results when breeding a to b etc, or even when I see a punnet square. Anyway do you have any suggestions on websites or books that might have this info in it in very basic, clear English. I need genetics and punnet squares for dummies!!!!

 

[deerman]

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I know. It was only an example showing how a bird can be both BS and any color. Because the gene for BS is at a specific location on a specific chromosome and none of the colors happen to share that same location. This is exactly the same idea as gene for Opal and gene for Cameo. Both are on different chromosomes. Therefore a bird potentially can be homozygous for both Opal and Cameo. HOW a homozygous Opal and Cameo bird will look like, I have no idea.. but onthespot's lovebird is an excellent visual example of a bird with two color genes combining to make a "different"color.


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Yes the cross will make blue looking split sons. My point though, is the fact that birds can be bred to be pure(homozygous) for both Cameo and Opal. For example, mate a male from this cross to an Opal.. and there will be a few hens pure for Opal but also inherit the Cameo as the male is split for both Opal and Cameo.. So these hens will have two colors, genetic wise. Again no idea how they will look unless someone does it.. maybe even more diluted color, or showing a vague mix of both colors or ??? (the lovebird picture, that is a perfect example of a bird with two color genes)

I too have not heard of anyone trying to combine two colors in same bird. But I also hear that some breeders consider that "taboo" though. What colors were cameo crossed with and did the breeder breed the offspring to make birds homozygous for both?

Yes I know, like in the case of parakeets, the green(wild type) is two colors yellow and blue, if the yellow is absent the area that was green is blue,the area that was yellow is white.

Just have not seen any in peafowl, Like the cameo is sex link ,have been around along time. Yet no bird has been bred with two colors.

Patterns yes I have many that are 3 patterns, but still just one color.

I have breed purple to opal, got blues split to both colors(males).


This year I have a purple split Bs X cameo BS silver pied hen. Would you like some of these eggs to see if you can get both color on one bird??

Guess I need to reword that peafowl have only been found with one color, but more than one pattern.

 

[BigByrd24]

From my understanding of this topic is-

A Pea can be a carrier of two colors but only one will show. Right???

 

[AHappychick]

I wish I knew where the smiley was but this thread NEEDS pics, there can never be enough pics of peafowl. those of us without them have come to rely on you guys to live vicariously

 

[BigByrd24]

Here is 2 of the boys on lock down. New breeder I bought.

This one is my 3 yr old white