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[JacinLarkwell]

Tag me as well if you do! I have a lot to say on this subject

And I would like to just read

 

[Isadora]

And I would like to just read

 

[Mother-Hen-Michele]

For the most part, i am vegan due to thinking its nasty and i believe im lactose in tolerant.

While i do get what your saying, vegan is a diet style, you aren’t vegan if you don’t follow it. It’s as simple as that!

I understand that when you are trying to communicate efficiently with someone about your food choices you use vegan and it has a specific meaning for you, and that is how language works. The meaning of words often (almost always) evolves and changes as society does. I understand that you need shorthand when in a coffee shop because otherwise it gets crazy to explain choice to a stranger.

I am just pointing out the original idea was that mass production of food led to horrible choices. We have videos of how chicks are treated and hens are kept all over the world in cages so small they cannot turn around. When people who saw what we see in our coops saw what happens in a factory they were horrified and they (sometimes) chose not to eat such food and they coined the word.


Living with chickens you understand the sheer JOY of running out into the garden in the morning. I can't eat eggs I didn't produce anymore, I thought that was the life chickens had when I paid double for "free range" eggs. I was horrified when I saw what that really means.

I realize for you this is likely a sore point, I really feel it. I was vegetarian for twenty five years (before "current" marriage at age 50) and people would say "but you are allowed to eat _____" (insert anything from chicken, to fish, to wild meat) and I had to explain again and again it was not a religious issue, (I am allowed to eat what I want, but I don't want to eat those things)

It was exhausting to have to defend my food choices with people who for some reason thought we were gladiators facing off to decide the future of all eating everywhere. I was never out to convert or convince anyone, I don't feel I should be made to defend my choice for my body. I minded the verbal assault and having to defend myself as though I would do what they wanted if they won the debate.

I didn't mean to step on your usage of the word, I was just explaining that we are not so far apart... Empathy can help defuse the distance between us. Hopefully that will lead to greater respect.

People who come here want to care for and heal little feather dusters whom we love dearly. We are all against cruelty... Gosh knows when we have to cull one we go through a lot of scrolling about painless methods. That is not the behaviour in a factory setting.

I hope this was clearer

 

[miss heny]

I also saw behind the scenes, which is how I reached my conclusion-
And that dairy farm was free range and organic, one of the best brands we have in England, and right opposite an rspca, which assured it was "good". I observed a lot of awful things. If that's the best, I dread to see the worst

Honestly? I am more dubious of organic farms for animals due to how little of care you can give if you want to keep that label and it feels that people let them slide more because the organic label means magically better. Like I said I can vouche for US/Canadian Commercial dairies, though the industry here is more family farms in co-ops (ahem, land o lakes is the most well known...).

 

[miss heny]

Tag me as well if you do! I have a lot to say on this subject

Will probably be these evening, we had a bat mitzvah and I got a class afterwards XD

 

[Chicken poppy]

I understand that when you are trying to communicate efficiently with someone about your food choices you use vegan and it has a specific meaning for you, and that is how language works. The meaning of words often (almost always) evolves and changes as society does. I understand that you need shorthand when in a coffee shop because otherwise it gets crazy to explain choice to a stranger.

I am just pointing out the original idea was that mass production of food led to horrible choices. We have videos of how chicks are treated and hens are kept all over the world in cages so small they cannot turn around. When people who saw what we see in our coops saw what happens in a factory they were horrified and they (sometimes) chose not to eat such food and they coined the word.


Living with chickens you understand the sheer JOY of running out into the garden in the morning. I can't eat eggs I didn't produce anymore, I thought that was the life chickens had when I paid double for "free range" eggs. I was horrified when I saw what that really means.

I realize for you this is likely a sore point, I really feel it. I was vegetarian for twenty five years (before "current" marriage at age 50) and people would say "but you are allowed to eat _____" (insert anything from chicken, to fish, to wild meat) and I had to explain again and again it was not a religious issue, (I am allowed to eat what I want, but I don't want to eat those things)

It was exhausting to have to defend my food choices with people who for some reason thought we were gladiators facing off to decide the future of all eating everywhere. I was never out to convert or convince anyone, I don't feel I should be made to defend my choice for my body. I minded the verbal assault and having to defend myself as though I would do what they wanted if they won the debate.

I didn't mean to step on your usage of the word, I was just explaining that we are not so far apart... Empathy can help defuse the distance between us. Hopefully that will lead to greater respect.

People who come here want to care for and heal little feather dusters whom we love dearly. We are all against cruelty... Gosh knows when we have to cull one we go through a lot of scrolling about painless methods. That is not the behaviour in a factory setting.

I hope this was clearer

I get what your saying and appreciate you taking the time to explain it.
All i was saying is i know a lot of people who are not vegan for cruelty reasons and simply for choice/allergies/disgust. I feel its a lot simpler to consider yourself what the term is to avoid having to explain things but that could just be me. Instead of explaining “im a vegan except i do eat my farm grown eggs, own milk and or local milk/eggs” i just feel like its easier to say “im a veterinarian, but i only eat locally (or from my own animals) because i want to make sure im not buying from mass businesses“ Because many vegetarians are like that!

You sound like a extremely kind person and it does get tiring explaining your diet choice (believe me, i know!) You explained it great, thank you for sharing.

 

[Chicken poppy]

In my view, neither vegetetarianism not veganism are cruelty free. Veganism is a little closer, but all our crops, our cars, our smart phones, all that contributes harm.
Vegetarians (those who buy commercially), are still unintentionally supporting the meat industry. Furthermore, in my opinion, dairy farming on a commercial scale is often more cruel than meat farming (not factory farms obviously).

Not trying to start a debate on this, but I think it's important to acknowledge that as a whole, cruelty free living is impossible. There's only "doing the best you can".
And a lot of that can start at home, and being a little more self sufficient

(I just meant in the form of diets it is, but yes your right, nothing truly will ever be cruelty free)

Hopefully i didn’t write that confusing because that was not my intention, i didn’t mean cruelty free as a whole, but cruelty free when it comes to harming animals directly for benefit.

 

[Aunt Angus]

It was exhausting to have to defend my food choices with people who for some reason thought we were gladiators facing off to decide the future of all eating everywhere. I was never out to convert or convince anyone, I don't feel I should be made to defend my choice for my body. I minded the verbal assault and having to defend myself as though I would do what they wanted if they won the debate.

This. I get laughed at so often and lectured about my food choices. Every. Dang. Day.

 

[Chicken poppy]

This. I get laughed at so often and lectured about my food choices. Every. Dang. Day.

People are so cruel. How hard is it to keep your mouth shut and not harass someone for something they eat? This really bothers me.

 

[Chicken poppy]

Exactly
Cruelty free existence is completely impossible

Yes, agreed. That was not what i was trying to say though so i hope I didn’t portray it that way.