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Here is some food for thought. If lightning ignites Hydrogen and Oxygen in the atmosphere and it rains the water is natural. If we take a tank of oxygen and hydrogen and combine the two in a flame rendering water it is artificial even though the physical properties of the two are identical. There is no way to analyze them and find out how they were made. What it boils down to might just be job security by creating rules and regulations and not thinking like a chemist.
 
I'm so old I remember when we could just go about or business of raising chickens with cracked corn and laying mash and grow plenty of food with earth minerals out of a bag and all was well. People put back in the ground what their crops took out and while they were at it the stubble was much more and when it got plowed under the soil was improved even more with more humus allowing the ground to aerate better and hold more water and from a chemist understanding that humus provide a place for earth minerals to form and ionic bond rather than leach to below the root zone.
 
LTAY1946 said:
I'm so old I remember when we could just go about or business of raising chickens with cracked corn and laying mash and grow plenty of food with earth minerals out of a bag and all was well. People put back in the ground what their crops took out and while they were at it the stubble was much more and when it got plowed under the soil was improved even more with more humus allowing the ground to aerate better and hold more water and from a chemist understanding that humus provide a place for earth minerals to form and ionic bond rather than leach to below the root zone.
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Today's world of monoculture is ruining the soil. We have to add chemicals to it, and the plants, to avoid another dustbowl.

Honestly, it makes me ill.
 
Canadian Wind said:
Today's world of monoculture is ruining the soil. We have to add chemicals to it, and the plants, to avoid another dustbowl.

Honestly, it makes me ill.
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Everything we eat, breath, smell, or see is a chemical. In the early days of the Organic Gardening Magazine the publisher made it clear that the nutrients enter into the roots of a plant in the same exact form whether from a bag of 666 or a bushel of compost. I have a huge compost pile but not for the nutrients. Mine is for the organic matter for my earth minerals to bond to. I see fertilizing with a one size fits all as a big production problem that will lead to mass starvation if the metal based nutrients are not restored. When plants can't grow well we will have a dust bowl. I think the dust bowl was from solid clearing of the land. Not a tree left. No wind breaks. I've crossed the interstate across KS and have see pea size gravel literally blowing across I-70. Enough to take paint off of my truck. That is so sad. There again no trees in sight. That word chemical seldom gets used anymore unless in the dark side of life. From high school chemistry I think that we were taught that our bodies are made up from about 100 different chemicals. Sodium is a horrible explosive metal in the wild but in hour bodies it plays an important role in life. There are some bad, bad, chemicals in the way of herbicides used in large scale farming. There is one really bad one that the original Roundup didn't have in it. Now Roundup Plus has an additive that I think when used in sandy areas that can leach down to aquifers. That is my gripe. When the patent ran out on Roundup every other company I think has started making it trying to get a piece of the market. What is shocking is that I would be willing to bet most consumers when shopping in the fresh produce aisle and see that beautiful array of bright colorful and unblemished produce and marked organic think the are getting things that have never been sprayed with any kind of chemical. They need to look up what has been approved by the USDA and still qualify for that organic label. Here in this country the USDA determines what is organic an not a qualified chemist. That's the same USDA that approve DDT. We have many complex issues in feeding the masses. Often putting a pencil and calculating the tonnage required has never been done. One of the worst problems not talked about is soil erosion. The mighty Mississippi has taken billions of tons of topsoil for a ride down to the Gulf of Mexico creating a dead zone where nothing can live. That's a double whammy. I can't imagine what kind of a world by grand kids will have to live in. Top soil is not getting made. Pure organic soils as in the FL muck lands I grew up near catch fire and just burn for days. If it rains on the fires they went under ground. Clay, sand, silt, and organic matter or humus make up a good soil whether for 6,000 acres of wheat or a raised bed. I knew some 6,000 family farms back in MO decades ago. There would be several generations of families still risking it all putting a new crop and the expense of doing so year after year. Even is it could be shown what they do to survive I doubt the general public would believe it under today's views of the agricultural climate.
 
Sally PB said:
Yup. One of the reasons I'm glad I'm NOT 30.
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Same. And I'm glad my son is 13 and not a little kid anymore. A good friend of mine, same age(42) just had a baby. I can't imagine starting over, especially in this day and age
 

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