hogster 160 thanks for the suggestion, I wasnt wanting chicks, being my first flock I'm scared about winter so close, but the closest rural king to me is an hr away, but they do have Ameracunas, so with this site and the internet I'm hoping they will be ok, just really hoping I get all female! now to tread up on chick raising! is 5 a good number to get, I only wanted 3 laying hens, but since they are so little I know they need each other. thanks for everyone's help!!!!#