Interesting article in Science

[MamaRoo]

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Perhaps you can show us some examples.

Can you say Solyndra?

That's a business selling it's product, not a scientific study, unless you can find studies they've done.

 

[punk-a-doodle]

Ok, I will make it complicated for you, my dogs fight with each other, they do it in the house and do it more violently outside. Now I am concerned that my boys will see this and think that it is OK or normal. Now If I make my boys stay indoors they will fight less, right? but, If I tell my boys to not fight and they quit when I am there but fight later when I am not around I conclude that they are fighting because I am not there, right? NO! they WANT to fight. Fortunately they can talk to me and tell me they wanted to fight. The dogs cannot so I must ASSUME that what I think is correct. Befuddled me... maybe I am wrong! Remember that these are studies and studies usually have a predetermined outcome as they are designed to come to the hypothesis, always. Similar to polling.

Realize that up until now, I have answered you, erm, genuine inquiries as they may be something others are actually pondering. I think it is safe to assume with this one though that...the astute observations above will shake our understanding of behavior to the core. X)

Another example: I have raised rabbits once in a while the mother will eat the babies, is that child abuse? If I believe it is a reaction to the environment why does the one in the next cage not do it? It did it because it wanted to, maybe it did not want babies. The booby birds could be reacting to thier environment like overcrowding or limited food resource but to say it is child abuse is absurd.

Who said it was 'child abuse'? And you edited, no fair. Previously this said:

Remember that these are studies and studies usually have a predetermined outcome as they are designed to come to the hypothesis, always. Similar to polling.

To anyone truly wondering about that, a hypothesis is part of something called the scientific method, the steps and implementation of which can be looked up online. No, a scientific study does not support the hypothesis. Corporate 'backed' studies were already covered earlier.​

 

[faerielady]

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You're hoping for a lot... anecdata doesn't usually have it's own study. "Well I know a friend who read this study in some medical journal and it said..."

 

[MamaRoo]

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You're hoping for a lot... anecdata doesn't usually have it's own study. "Well I know a friend who read this study in some medical journal and it said..."

Well, I saw on this chicken site that someone was talking about how to do scientific studies and they said.......

 

[Royd]

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I was actually hoping for links to studies. Can you find a study for methane gas from cattle? Or just an opinion from a company? People knowing tobacco is bad and yet still choosing to use it is not the same as contradictory evidence.

I'd really like to see the the studies on the same topic with opposite results and conclusions.

It's called Google. I know the game. If you don't have the ability or the desire to waste time chasing down links, it's basically an internet Gotcha.

If you can't provide evidence to your thoughts, it makes you null and void from the argument.

The current subject is, in all reality, a huge waste of public money. Someone or a group got a grant to take a free ride to the given island.. While they were all sitting around, drinking morning coffee, some emo started feeling sorry for the baby birds, being bullied by the adult and immediately attached human emotions to it, and thus, human thought processes, and wham, they had their validation for the wasted money.

There are thousands of such rediculous studies, with no actual goal in sight, except not having to go out and get a real job.

 

[EweSheep]

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I was actually hoping for links to studies. Can you find a study for methane gas from cattle? Or just an opinion from a company? People knowing tobacco is bad and yet still choosing to use it is not the same as contradictory evidence.

I'd really like to see the the studies on the same topic with opposite results and conclusions.

It's called Google. I know the game. If you don't have the ability or the desire to waste time chasing down links, it's basically an internet Gotcha.

If you can't provide evidence to your thoughts, it makes you null and void from the argument.

The current subject is, in all reality, a huge waste of public money. Someone or a group got a grant to take a free ride to the given island.. While they were all sitting around, drinking morning coffee, some emo started feeling sorry for the baby birds, being bullied by the adult and immediately attached human emotions to it, and thus, human thought processes, and wham, they had their validation for the wasted money.

There are thousands of such rediculous studies, with no actual goal in sight, except not having to go out and get a real job.

I agree with this statement that it IS a huge waste of money to "humanize" animals' role in hierachery in the food chain and survival mode. To relate that with child abuse, I don't think so. We would have ended up killing our children when there are too many mouths to feed, or too weak to survive or dummer than a wall. Chimps (as Jane Goodall's researches go) killings was justified in their own way to weed out the bad from good but it does not always tip in our favor. Our brain is much more complex and much more advanced than the booby bird.

 

[MamaRoo]

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I would agree with that

 

[chickened]

If my observations do not have a PhD behind it then they are worthless in other words?

There is a good movie with Sean Connery as a scientist in the rain forest that finds a cure for cancer that illustrates the flaws in scientific logic in a simple old fashioned sort of way, cannot remember the title.

Well I googled "methane gas studies in cattle" and there are more links to pages than I care to post.

 

[faerielady]

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I hope you never have the need to benefit from any study ever conducted on a subject that you don't agree with... however, that is highly unlikely. Studies are done every day on subject matter that the general public may think is ridiculous, but it turns out down the line that oh... they're right. Whaddya know.

 

[faerielady]

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I would agree with that

QFT.