Interesting article in Science

[MamaRoo]

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I'm confused. The original article just talked about behavior in birds, not humans. They only consider whether it would be an appropriate model for studying human behavior, they didn't state that it was.

 

[chickened]

Well most of us.
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It's called Google. I know the game. If you don't have the ability or the desire to waste time chasing down links, it's basically an internet Gotcha.

If you can't provide evidence to your thoughts, it makes you null and void from the argument.

The current subject is, in all reality, a huge waste of public money. Someone or a group got a grant to take a free ride to the given island.. While they were all sitting around, drinking morning coffee, some emo started feeling sorry for the baby birds, being bullied by the adult and immediately attached human emotions to it, and thus, human thought processes, and wham, they had their validation for the wasted money.

There are thousands of such rediculous studies, with no actual goal in sight, except not having to go out and get a real job.

I agree with this statement that it IS a huge waste of money to "humanize" animals' role in hierachery in the food chain and survival mode. To relate that with child abuse, I don't think so. We would have ended up killing our children when there are too many mouths to feed, or too weak to survive or dummer than a wall. Chimps (as Jane Goodall's researches go) killings was justified in their own way to weed out the bad from good but it does not always tip in our favor. Our brain is much more complex and much more advanced than the booby bird.

 

[Royd]

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Can you say Solyndra?

That's a business selling it's product, not a scientific study, unless you can find studies they've done.

The government just dumped half a billion into the company, trying to push the "Green" agenda, and it has failed, because the whole concept, on a mass scale is a failure. The company was floundering, before the public money,[ your's and mine].

Too many times, some group of researchers come up with an idea, and then, try to make the research fit the desired end. The whole global warming scam was not about proving that the earth was warming up. It was about forcing everyone to reach into their pocket and pay a penance to some elite group, just for being human.

They knew that they couldn't prove it, beyond a doubt, so they falsified and twisted the numbers, to come up with the result they wanted.

Why should I put stock in any grant funded research? Once a liar, always a liar.

 

[faerielady]

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Our brains may be (and that is something I'm really reluctant to say, knowing the intellectual ability of some humans), but our emotions and emotional responses to basic hormones/chemical reactions MOST DEFINITELY are not.

You should look at pictures of an angry human's face next to an angry chimp's face next to an angry dog's face. Surprisingly enough, those faces all look similar, even though the musculature is different. Why? Because anger is expressed the same way.

The difference is that human beings should be able to control their anger. However, if they do not recognize WHY they are doing something WHEN they are doing it, they CAN NOT BE TAUGHT not to do it anymore. These studies are to help discover the WHY, so we can work on intervention techniques to teach them how to circumvent the abuse cycle.

 

[chickened]

That is the game with these studies it always ends hanging on the next study which in this case will be "is it appropiate"?
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I'm confused. The original article just talked about behavior in birds, not humans. They only consider whether it would be an appropriate model for studying human behavior, they didn't state that it was.

 

[MamaRoo]

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An opinion is perfectly fine, but to present an opinion as a validated study doesn't seem quite appropriate, in my opinion.

You stated that you believe there are contradictory studies, fine, I would like to see them. I'm not asking for your credentials, I'm asking to see what you're basing your statement on so that I can read them too, and draw my own conclusions. Maybe I would agree with you, or maybe not.

 

[MamaRoo]

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I'm confused. The original article just talked about behavior in birds, not humans. They only consider whether it would be an appropriate model for studying human behavior, they didn't state that it was.


I don't understand what you're trying to say. Could you be a little more explicit please?

 

[MamaRoo]

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That's a business selling it's product, not a scientific study, unless you can find studies they've done.

The government just dumped half a billion into the company, trying to push the "Green" agenda, and it has failed, because the whole concept, on a mass scale is a failure. The company was floundering, before the public money,[ your's and mine].

Too many times, some group of researchers come up with an idea, and then, try to make the research fit the desired end. The whole global warming scam was not about proving that the earth was warming up. It was about forcing everyone to reach into their pocket and pay a penance to some elite group, just for being human.

They knew that they couldn't prove it, beyond a doubt, so they falsified and twisted the numbers, to come up with the result they wanted.

Why should I put stock in any grant funded research? Once a liar, always a liar.

I wasn't asking for a political spin. Do you have any links to Solyndra's research that shows that they've drawn incorrect conclusions or had flawed data?

 

[EweSheep]

When we study animals and their behaviors, we would either make sense of why, how and what they do when they are born, grow up with immediate families and relatives to care of the offspring and we can relate somewhat to a certain degree in mankind in what we do with our offsprings however to consider the booby bird to "weed" out one chick due to their own reason that would have taxed the parents' effort to raise that chick to young adult. Pushing the chick out insure that the remaining chick will be stronger. The "extra" egg was there in case one did not survive. It happens with other bird species but can not remember which does the same thing.

To put a label "child abuse" on a booby bird, I honestly don't think it validate the booby bird's reasonings to cull that "extra chick" or life in general like mating rights or territorial rights. Sometimes we will never understand why they would do it but it is done.

Like us, with our nasty roos attacking humans, our birds are domesticated by human interference and selective breedings and I do not tolerate nasty tempered roos or hens, they would be stew pot or someone's backyard pet/egg production. And some certain breeds do have that nasty traits of having a tentacious attitude toward humans or their mates.

Hope you excuse me for rambling...hope this is clear. The front is moving in and fibro pain rear its ugly head.

 

[chickened]

I will give another example that I observed personally, I do work for the government at a seed research orchard. They study and make improvements in cone seeds or that is thier mission statement. The only problem is private industy (Weyerhauser) does the same thing and has all the market share of seed stock at a lower cost and for quite some time now have developed seeds that are satisfactory for reforestation and sold globally. Weyco has ended its studies for the most part but yet the government keeps funding the research with a hope for a "breakthrough". Don't get me wrong they pay me very well for my services.