Interesting article regarding commercially raised meat chickens in US

[CARS]

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Here I am stirring the pot again

So you are saying that avian "bird" flu is the result of factory farms?

Last time I watched the news about bird flu was constant footage of people holding birds on buses, running around the alleys, etc. Maybe the media spun the story. You know, show what the people want to see. I'll have to go back and investigate. It's been awhile since the world was worried about it. "Swine" flu took over

 

[Wifezilla]

"Devlin Kuyek’s “Fowl Play: the Role of Agribusiness in the Avian Flu Crisis” (Multinational Monitor Mar/Apr 2006) explains how the blame for the spread of bird flu has been deflected from its probable source, large-scale poultry operations, to both wild birds and backyard chickens. Rather than being the source of bird flu, wild birds and backyard chickens are victims of diseases that, in crowded conditions, “evolve rapidly towards more pathogenic and highly transmissible forms.” Bird flu, Kuyek elaborates, “does not evolve to highly pathogenic forms in backyard poultry operations, where low-density and farm diversity keep the viral load to low levels.”

In his review of Bird Flu: A Virus of Our Own Hatching by Michael Greger, M.D., Brian Baker finds that “the pandemic has largely skipped free-range poultry farms, even in areas that have large confined populations in close proximity” (“One Flu Over the Chicken Coop,” Provender Journal Mar/Apr 2007). Baker concludes that “Increasingly virulent mutant strains of the virus are generated at a much faster rate through mass selection and the rapid reproduction facilitated by highly populated and densely confined flocks.”"
http://www.foodcoop.coop/index.php?page=bird_flu_nais

 

[CARS]

From the CDC:

Avian influenza in birds

Avian influenza is an infection caused by avian (bird) influenza (flu) viruses. These influenza viruses occur naturally among birds. Wild birds worldwide carry the viruses in their intestines, but usually do not get sick from them. However, avian influenza is very contagious among birds and can make some domesticated birds, including chickens, ducks, and turkeys, very sick and kill them.

Infected birds shed influenza virus in their saliva, nasal secretions, and feces. Susceptible birds become infected when they have contact with contaminated secretions or excretions or with surfaces that are contaminated with secretions or excretions from infected birds. Domesticated birds may become infected with avian influenza virus through direct contact with infected waterfowl or other infected poultry, or through contact with surfaces (such as dirt or cages) or materials (such as water or feed) that have been contaminated with the virus.

Infection with avian influenza viruses in domestic poultry causes two main forms of disease that are distinguished by low and high extremes of virulence. The “low pathogenic” form may go undetected and usually causes only mild symptoms (such as ruffled feathers and a drop in egg production). However, the highly pathogenic form spreads more rapidly through flocks of poultry. This form may cause disease that affects multiple internal organs and has a mortality rate that can reach 90-100% often within 48 hours.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/avian/gen-info/facts.htm

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Can you please share with us the calculations and assumptions used to show that we can raise 8.7 BILLLION broilers and 115 MILLION market hogs using what you call sustainable methods? You can not use "reduce consumption" as a variable.

Jim

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Christopher, don't waste your time with the government links as we ALL know that the information is there simply to protect the Government-AGricultural Complex and is based on lies to prevent the public to knowing the truth about animal farming.

I hope the sarcasm detecors are ringin on your computers.

Jim

 

[CARS]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Christopher, don't waste your time with the government links as we ALL know that the information is there simply to protect the Government-AGricultural Complex and is based on lies to prevent the public to knowing the truth about animal farming.

I hope the sarcasm detecors are ringin on your computers.

Jim

It also helps countless numbers of people write conspiracy-theory books

 

[WalkingWolf]

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So it is safe to say that in their eyes, chlorine is the lesser of two evils? Cheap and effective.

I wonder what my local processor rinses them in? After watching my birds go through the process, they end up in a few different tanks. Hmmm....

LOL if your processor is inspected and receives a food grade they use Chlorine... There are other sanitizer product that is not just straight chlorine, but some of them are more toxic than chlorine. I processed and butchered meat for years and we always used chlorine, used properly it dissipates mostly into the air after it has killed bacteria that can kill. Cutting blocks in most health districts are required to bleach the blocks and the utensils. I would not purchase meat from any processor that did not follow USDA guidelines. Mold can kill ya and it is much more likely then a small very small amount of chlorine. If a health inspector does a swab test and finds bacteria a processor is out of business, and rightfully so.

This is one area where there is no government plot, chlorine is used in hospitals everywhere along with other chemicals. Naturally if someone ingests straight chlorine they will suffer injury or death. If there are some studies out there that prove chlorine is more of a hazard the bacteria please show us. I would be interested in seeing it, I am open minded, but for the time being it appears to be another political ploy by Putin.

 

[Buster52]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Can you please share with us the calculations and assumptions used to show that we can raise 8.7 BILLLION broilers and 115 MILLION market hogs using what you call sustainable methods? You can not use "reduce consumption" as a variable.

I reject your restriction. The US doesn't need to produce at that level if it is assumed various localities worldwide will pick up the slack to meet their own needs, using the same sustainable techniques I'm speaking of here. Each local market in the US merely needs to meet the level of production for that local market. At most you could have regional farms meeting the needs of regional markets.

What is more, if we focus on whole foods rather than prefab and fast food junk, many acres that are out of production for real food in order to grow subsidized monocultures could move to more sustainable practices as opposed to producing HFCS.

Much as I like it, Dr Pepper is not a food group.

But as I've said elsewhere, in the end it doesn't matter. We can live sustainably voluntarily now, or have sustainability forced upon us later. It is best we do it now.​

 

[Buster52]

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Uh huh. And how does it move from one form to the other? The more concentrated a species, the more quickly a disease spreads, and the more quickly it evolves. Add to that the common practice of preventatively medicating factory farmed birds, and you have the recipe for a superbug.

Which is how H1N1 got started.

 

[Buster52]

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So it is safe to say that in their eyes, chlorine is the lesser of two evils? Cheap and effective.

I wonder what my local processor rinses them in? After watching my birds go through the process, they end up in a few different tanks. Hmmm....

LOL if your processor is inspected and receives a food grade they use Chlorine...

Because that is the only way to make factory farmed meat safe for consumption.