Interesting article regarding commercially raised meat chickens in US

[Buster52]

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Perhaps I'm not the one who is dreaming. Maybe I'm the realist.

I don't see a version of The Road playing out here. I see it all as gradual. First oil will just get very expensive, which means factory farmed food will become more expensive and sustainably grown food cheaper by comparison. More people will garden and take more responsiblity for their own food while looking for local alternatives.

Then oil will get even more expensive. Everyone, including "agribuisness", will begin looking for alternatives that do no require quite so much of it. The anwser will lie in solar energy, organic fertilizer, managed intensive grazing, and that sort of thing.

Then, sooner or later, oil will become so expensive, it will be too precious to use for food production, particularly when there are renewable alternatives.

And then, much later, we will run out. But not before we have had time to adjust and learn to live with the planet, instead of against it.

We humans learn slow, but we do learn. I have much hope.

 

[frozen1]

Just a note there is more oil to get if they let us go and get it!!!!!! We will run out of oil one day but not any time soon.

also the article I read online {watt poultry}about russia said it will become seif-sufficient, an exporter of chicken in 5 years, if we dont change our ways we might have to buy their chicken meat.

 

[harryg6167]

After being a member here for a short time and reading all these different post on commercial farms (Gosh must be 10 new topics a week) I have come to realize something about commercial or "factory farming" as some like to call it.
I have concluded that factory farmin is responsible for almost everything wrong in this great country plus a few more.
It has to have something to do with the current health care debacle going on in congress,the poor economy,high gas prices,outrageous auto insurance,my granpaw's heart attack,Scott Brown winning in Mass.,and last but not least the terrible earthquake in Haiti (God help those poor people).
Come on people, find something else to whine about instead of your "factory farming" hangups. At least get your facts straight
from reliable sources if you are going to keep posting about them.
Over 95% of farms in the U.S. are family owned.
Some want to keep on about how other countries do thing such as the European Nations. Heck move to an European country and
live there. Maybe Siberia would be a good place to go so the Russian people there could be taught how to raise their own chickens and grain to feed them. Oh, I forgot, that's the reason all of these grain ships from thoses third world countries stay so busy at the ports from Baton Rouge
all the way down to New Orleans. The Russians aren't capable of raising their own grain. Commune farm realllly worked in Russia. Only had to stand in a bread line for hors wishing he whole time there would be some left when you make it to the front. Plenty of meals eaten of only bread and potatoes in those days.
There are just too many people on here who consider themselves experts and like to always lump all farming practices together. There are some practices going on that could be better but there are more than not that work fine.
Didn't start having this many problems until that darn North American Free Trade Agreement came into effect in 1994. Lots of practices South of the border were not and are still not up to par on sanitation amongst other things. Things also got slightly worse for the American farmer also.
Now you hear of lots more e coli and salmonella outbreaks than you used to.
Oh well, I just had to say something and now I guess I will get in trouble by the authorities for taking up for what has been our way of life since my great grandfather and his dad came over from Ireland during the great potato famine.
Been nice meeting some of ya'll on this site and have for the most part enjoyed being a member.

 

[CARS]

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Very well said! If you get banned for saying that, I'll walk out with you!!!

 

[WalkingWolf]

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Very well said! If you get banned for saying that, I'll walk out with you!!!

I concur very well said.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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LOL if your processor is inspected and receives a food grade they use Chlorine...

Because that is the only way to make factory farmed meat safe for consumption.

Buster not to argue, please go to your local health department and ask what is required to process chicken as a business, even if you are processing BYC chicken. People do it, but people do a lot of things that push comes to shove could land them in jail. For some reason on this thread it is getting stuck on factory farming when it is a requirement for any processor to do complete safe sanitation, and the USDA, doctors, food professional, county, city health departments say the safest is the correct level of chlorine. The trick is safe levels, that is what those test strips are for that are located above the tanks required use by LAW.

There is no grand conspiracy to poisen us with chlorine, the military has used it for a lonnnnnggggggg time to make drinking water safe. Heyyy if you think you are safer with bacteria, but the rest of the country should have better common sense. To follow some peoples logic the mass produce soap is bad for you and you should be making your own soap with LYE, which is safe, BUT I would not suggest taking a bath in lye water. Get the point, chlorine is a poisen, because it is it kills bacteria, but again used properly it dissipates into the atmosphere it does not stay in the food.

Lords sake they are not injecting chlorine, they are rinsing in it.

BTW these health inspectors come from liberal universities, ya know those places supporting those evil farming corporations. Why was there not all this rancor over the earmarks to ADM, and Monsanto by a certain former Senator now in the Oval office? Where was the outrage over ADM supplying a campaign jet? WAS/IS he in on the conspiracy too?

 

[CARS]

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That was kind of my question a few (dozen) pages ago when I asked about the similarities between me brining my birds in salt v/s them using chlorine.
If the birds are just dunked briefly it is COMPLETELY different than soaking in salt brine.

 

[Buster52]

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My family has been farming in this country since the 1600s and before that somewhere else, although truth be known, statistically speaking, most folks here come from families that farmed somewhere up until the last couple of generations.

But no more. Their families were forced off farms and into cities as farming became more and more industrialized, needing fewer and fewer farmers making less and less for their work. It is my guess your great grand daddy didn't factory farm, probably not even your grand daddy. My guess is you probably don't, either. But it is also my guess that you sell your product into that industrialized system, which is all I am saying here. Most farmers are trapped in that system making pennies on the dollar because that is the direction our economy and our government has taken them.

I'm saying (along with other Food Elitists like me) that there is a better way. For you the farmer, for the animals you raise, and for the consumer who consumes them. And for the planet. The farmer should be more respected and better paid for the work he or she does.

 

[Wifezilla]

Well said

 

[Buster52]

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Because that is the only way to make factory farmed meat safe for consumption.

Buster not to argue, please go to your local health department and ask what is required to process chicken as a business, even if you are processing BYC chicken. People do it, but people do a lot of things that push comes to shove could land them in jail. For some reason on this thread it is getting stuck on factory farming when it is a requirement for any processor to do complete safe sanitation, and the USDA, doctors, food professional, county, city health departments say the safest is the correct level of chlorine. The trick is safe levels, that is what those test strips are for that are located above the tanks required use by LAW.

If you read my response again, what I meant was, it is assumed it is required to make meat safe, because it is assumed the animal was raised in a Fecal Factory (aka confinement operation) because that is how most of them are raised. I'm sure tests were run to ascertain the best method for making these birds safe to eat, and since they are raised in such a concentrated mass and processed in the manner that they are, it takes this level of chlorine to make them safe. That is an indictment of the the system, no matter how you want to slice it.