Interesting article regarding commercially raised meat chickens in US

[WalkingWolf]

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That was kind of my question a few (dozen) pages ago when I asked about the similarities between me brining my birds in salt v/s them using chlorine.
If the birds are just dunked briefly it is COMPLETELY different than soaking in salt brine.

And they are only in the water very briefly, those same regulations limit the time between culling and refrigeration. They are not rested in chlorine but in sealed containers or packaging at a temperature of 28f or below. Many times when receiving chicken from tyson, purdue, townsend, or many of the other factory operations the chickens are actually frozen because they do not want to get caught with their pants down by a inspector with the temp to high. The chlorine is only used to kill external bacteria after processing before refrigeration. Some people need to get a grip, but keep in mind some people make a living off of chickens not in the factory farming industry, you better bet they are using chlorine even if they make a fuss about the factories using it. If they don't and a consumer dies they WILL go to jail if there is intent.

Don't get me wrong I am not a proponent of factory farming, I think it belongs in the hands of people who care. But this is supposed to be a free country and that means freedom for the factory owners too. Where I have a problem is laws limiting our freedom to raise what we want to raise, not with all this other petty bovine scatology. There is a conspiracy in government to limit personal accountability, but with that there is a responsibility to maintain standards or get caught with their pants down and suffer the consequences of others caught with their pants down. I wish people would put as much energy into securing freedoms instead of trying to interfere with others freedom.

 

[Bossroo]

Buster, once again I ask you so that I may learn from YOU the proper way that you personally practice to put a desease free, healthy chicken on my table... WHAT STEP BY STEP PRECAUTION PROCESS DO YOU USE TO KEEP YOUR CHICKEN IN A SANITARY,CHEMICAL AND FECES FREE CONDITION ONCE YOU CHOP IT'S HEAD OFF AND PLACING IT ON YOUR DINNER TABLE???

 

[WalkingWolf]

But no more. Their families were forced off farms

Boy I missed something. Did this happen before I was born? Were there federal troops involved? The national guard? Armed private security doing the deed? Please these comments are not true, this is no way to make a case or argument. People moved from farms for convenience or monetary reasons period, our government for years paid subsidies to farmers while this was happening. And I am not against farm subsidies but I am against misinformation.

Sure it was and is tough for small farmers, just as tough for any other small business person. The consumer and the farmers themselves were responsible, nobody told them to sell out because it got tough. I know we owned a small dairy and dairy farms. My family was payed well for the sale of the business, if yours or others were not that is how it goes.

Besides we are wayyyyyy off topic, this has to do with Putin finding ways to put more distance between our trade deficit so we have to borrow more money from them.​

 

[WalkingWolf]

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LOL.. he got me laughing with the fecal farming, honestly anyone who has been on a farm let alone lived on one knows the amount of poo poo involved.

 

[cubalaya]

watch the movie Food Inc.

 

[Wifezilla]

Great movie.

 

[Buster52]

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Actually, I think you got me wrong. I don't think they should be legislated out of business. I think the problem is partly government involvement in the first place. The government threw its weight behind "Get big or get out" agribusiness through regulation, research, and subsidies. Frankly, if the government dropped subsidies, loosened regs for the little guy so he could compete, and in general got the heck out the way, life would be much more difficult for the factory farm.

Factory farms are unsustainable. That means they can't be sustained over the long term. Sooner or later, the system that supports them and the rest of cheap food will collapse, as I explained earlier in the thread.

 

[Wifezilla]

 

[Buster52]

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But I prefer it stay on the farm, not on my food, particularly during processing.

That's why I own a farm and raise (and process) my own food.

 

[WalkingWolf]

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But I prefer it stay on the farm, not on my food, particularly during processing.

That's why I own a farm and raise (and process) my own food.

So how do you think poop gets on the food in processing? Do you think they put it on the chicken intentionally? Have you ever been or seen a factory processor plant such as Tyson, Townsend, or Purdue? Did you see any employee put poop on a carcass during processing? Do YOU take the safeguards anywhere close to protect the chicken that they do? If you don't mind I have been in both Purdue and Townsend processing plants and seen the operations and precautions, I'll buy my chicken from them before you, no offense intended.

BTW if you drop a chicken during processing do you discard it, or pick it up and wash it and eat it? Do you wash your hands in a surgical envieroment, and then wear surgical gloves? Do you keep and rinse your utensils in sanitizer between carcasses? Do you use ultraviolet lighting in your processing? Do you do periodic swab testing during processing? Do you have a USDA inspector looking over your shoulder? Do you steam clean and sanitize the entire home/plant between processing regiments? Do you have blood and waste drains and appropriate wash downs during processing? Do you have appropriate waste barrels labeled hazardous waste and proper disposal services?

I also forgot to point out that the chickens are NOT raised in the same place as they are processed. They are several steps and locations involved before a chicken makes it to processing. The processing plant is no where near, or the same personal as the rearing, chickens are restricted on feed before processing so their gut is empty. There is probably much less poop in their processing environment then yours.