International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

here now his grand daughters F2 ( F1 X F1)




it is cool what we can do ,if we know what we are doing .

we created the domestic chooks in the first place.

chooks man

 

[chickengr]

How do they get this?

mine get such staff from rats, wild birds and heat stress has something to do with it, I am not sure how.

Yes and they are not like any pullet eggs I have ever seen...... they are huge.

some pullets lay double yolkers at the beginning. if they don't stop it is a hormonal disorder and better to kill such birds as they will develop more things and suffer. I would wait for about 2 months to see what happens. check if there is GMO soya in their feed.

 

[chickengr]

@Chooks man I am impressed with your work, it is unbelievable what you did.

as I am short of space and such crossings require years I will stick to pure lines. I will play with naked necks only, but nothing serious. my naked necks are Nn so I cannot get anything serious even if I wanted. marneck is going to be your task!

 

[Chooks man]

Selective breeding is the key to fix any trait or breed it out. creating line .new varieties etc...........

time .space ,knowledge . passion , love for the chooks . is needed as well .

After 2 generation of selective breeding I end up having better and healthier chooks than the ones I start with. plus new varieties. Bonus

my freezers are full . my Dogs and the fox are well fed . the butcher and a Chinese restaurant both are happy with my chooks .

win win situation .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

@Chooks man I am impressed with your work, it is unbelievable what you did.

as I am short of space and such crossings require years I will stick to pure lines. I will play with naked necks only, but nothing serious. my naked necks are Nn so I cannot get anything serious even if I wanted. marneck is going to be your task!

Chickengr I told you I love I what I do. plus I do have enough understanding of genetic.

you don t have to do crossing ,keeping a strain as pure is a challenge by it self .and life time work

I work with animal and plants .as a full time job not a hobby .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

mine get such staff from rats, wild birds and heat stress has something to do with it, I am not sure how.

some pullets lay double yolkers at the beginning. if they don't stop it is a hormonal disorder and better to kill such birds as they will develop more things and suffer. I would wait for about 2 months to see what happens. check if there is GMO soya in their feed.

I fully agree with chickengr

 

[kcrandall]

Thank you Keith, Chooks man said to send people eggs so I hope you will take some.

It would be my honor to hatch eggs from your chooks.

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: Thank you!

 

[bluejean55girl]

many thanks! Will do!

you welcome.

the cow on your avatar is yours . impressive horn .

you see they didn t just cut them like most of a cattle man .instead they perfected the art of breeding them .

my hat to this type of BREEDERS .they do no take a short cut but they do they home work .

chooks man

many thanks.

This 29 month old bull was bred by an old cattleman as part of his last branded calf crop. He liked the tip to tip as well as total horn. He line bred longhorns for 42 years before his death. This was after he had line bred commercial cattle all his life. He died in the spring of 2015 at 98 years old. His herd went back to eight females total.

This bull is from a mating using the best son of the outcross bull to the best daughter of the same female line. who are two full sisters of his best female line. So this bull is double bred sire line and double bed female line.


So at the 3rd generation the same four animals on the top half match the same 4 animals in the bottom half.

But this outcross bull was not a total outcross because starting at the fourth generation and going back to the 7th & 8th generation, there are at least 15 animals that are common to both the sire and dam line.

This pedigree is also sex balanced too, in two different ways.

1. Mating a (son of) to a (daughter of)
2. Mating a known bull producing line (Hunts Command Respect) to a known cow producing line (Roundup).

My bull's older full brother has already proven to be a consistent producer of both sons and daughters. I am banking that the same pedigree will work for the younger brother even though I know that most often two full siblings do not always produce the same.

Most breeders nowadays only look 3 or maybe 4 generations deep. This old man always looked 6-7-8 generations back when researching any pedigree.

In the old days, most all breeding was line breeding. It is fast becoming an lost art.

 

[dvoice]

Out of curiosity, a roo with a white wing feather but other than that is great should Not be used for breeding, correct? He's from nice dark egg line.