International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

Queen has a nice copper color to her hackles and throws males with rich dark copper, her tail angle is also good and her comb is decent. She is the only female relative to the cockerel from my line I have as an option to mate the cockerel to unless I do a brother/sister mating or brother and half sister. Sheraz is his grandmother, but her comb is twisted and she likes to throw twisted combed offspring. Even some of this generation (the cockerel's full siblings) has thrown her twisted comb genes even though neither of the parents had twisted combs.

When I get a free moment I will look through my pullets free ranging and see if I can find one that would go well with the cockerel. All of the pullets I have free ranging are his full sisters or half sisters, except for the Mashburn x Sheraz pullets and those are not great quality. They are overmelanized and small birds. Layers only.

Ok .Queen s is good on comb .first strong point .
Queen copper is good quality ,how about the amount ,if she has a full hackle or just part of it . because he is lucking the colour .
Queen s tail Angle is good .Strong point .
so if we cross him back to Queen ,you ll no loose the strongest points <Comb and Tail >.
half sister,s if they display the qualities he is lucking ,than ,they ll be good to work with as well .

chooks man
 
I'm not sure which one laid it.. lol. One of the pullets free ranging. I have a few Mashburn x Sheraz pullets free ranging, several Max x Queen pullets, and one or two Max x #8 pullets out there.

I noticed something very peculiar though.. remember when I told you that Max x Queen threw offspring with crooked keels? Well the ones I have checked no longer have crooked keels as adults. Would they still be okay to breed? It's like they straightened out as they grew.

cool . I know was not serious .

chooks man
 
Yes I have had a rough year with varmints killing chickens but luckily we found the major culprit and hopefully have that issue resolved. It was a new neighbor's dog down the road who was just allowed to roam all over and do whatever. When we told him that she had killed so many of our chickens he said he would "get rid of her." What he chooses to do with his dog is his business, but people shouldn't own dogs if that is their mentality. The dog killed 8 game cocks, 3-4 Legbar pullets, 3 Black Copper Marans pullets, and a black copper cockerel. And those are only the ones I have noticed were gone. We keep our dogs fenced up so they don't roam and get into trouble, even though that means varmints tend to pick some off out of the perimeter of the fence. I would have loved to let our dogs out during the time we were suffering so many losses so they could take care of the varmint, but I don't want to run the risk of my dogs getting shot in the process. Always some kind of chicken drama..

Anyway, sorry to ramble. I will look the cockerel over for parasitic white as soon as I can. It is pouring rain here today so I'm stuck in the house. The last time I checked him for white he didn't have any. I don't plan on getting rid of any pullets that I have but I will cull through the cockerels, several of which have horrible halos and white underfluff. I gave one pullet to a friend that I had documented was mossy as a chick because I didn't want to use her for breeding. Otherwise the rest are here to stay hopefully if we can keep the varmints at bay.

On the subject of squirrel tails, no Marans male I have ever had that ended up with a squirrel tail showed the squirrel tail until he was around 8-9 months old. I don't even hold my breath on a male until they are at least that old anymore. I am just tired of getting my hopes dashed. Hence all my hesitation on breeding him until later on in the year. Chickens make me more pessimistic by the day. lol :)

My friend me I can tell how the tail is going to look like as a early age ,and I m telling you .your cockerel has a high tail ,not a squirrel tail . his tail is actually a good shape and form . short ,bushy at the bottom and full . true marans tail .
I can wait few more months does not bother me .but I stick to what I know . your cockerel has a great tail just a little higher .

chooks man
 
View attachment 1709778 the mottling has really expressed very nicely. My goal is to build pens to separate out all these recessive colors that have expressed themselves and enhance those colors while keeping the original colors going. The mottling may be tougher than the recessive white, some of the mottled birds don't fully express until 18 months old! Still, it's definitely very pretty, and with the dark hens, mottling ends up a beautiful accident to me.

good looking hens .
mottling is not the easiest pattern to breed and maintain . good luck to you .
If I was you I ll forget about it . focus on the white and a birchen , easier to breed and maintain the pattern .

love the splash hen ,long flat back .good rear wide and low to the ground . true marans trait .

chooks man
 
That's very interesting. The mottling gene is recessive, yes? Perhaps one of his birds is the culprit for throwing offspring recessive for the mottling gene? That is how these things happen, all it takes is a line to throw some sports that can be used to create something new. Mottled Marans sounds like a fun project. :)

for the mottling gene to be fully expressed ,the bird has to be Extended black based .

pure black bird will throw lovely mottled pattern .

chooks man
 
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here is a mottled chick from the mottled hen. This pullet is going to be very mottled on the breast!
 

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