International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

These are the 2 sisters of rooster #2. They are bigger but not as pretty.

these 2 pullets have a little gold on they hackle ,they should be paired with cockerel#1 = only keeping pullets from this pairing .because pullets will not inherit the gold hues from they dams .they only get they sire gorgeous copper .

they have better tails than group #1 .
you have a good ingredient to breed some stunning BCM line in the future .colorful cockerel #1 and big solid pullets #2 . let them pass a year old and start breeding from them .don t rush thing up . let them mature so they will breed properly .


chooks man
 
these are the sisters of rooster #1(pretty boy). One has darker eyes. My favorite very pretty girls

they have a correct copper and hackle marking but they not as solid and pullets #1 plus they have long high tail .
pullets #2 are not pretty but they have a correct marans body type and head .

chooks man
 
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@RoosterML

now that I have seen his sister pullets and the other pullets from line #1 . I have changed my heat about this guy .
it is clear now you need both cockerels to start your BCM line .
this guy paired with pullets #1 will throw some good marans .not as good as the other pairing { Cockerel #1 X pullets #2 }. this guy will fix the length and the angle of the tails in his progeny . plus he has no parasitic white so far .

so my friend .you have 2 breeding pen for the future .they complement each other well . they look compatible to me .

cockerel #1 X pullets #2
cockerel #2 x pullets #1

chooks man
 
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@RoosterML

this girl is very solid .gorgeous and correct body type .good strong head on her . small comb .
the best trait she has is strong bones /good head .great stand .good mass .

what color egg she hatch from?
I like her a lot . she will part nicely with cockerel #1 . she has mass/size .he has color = they will throw a lot correct looking BCM progeny .

chooks man
I actually had really dark eggs from the breeder.
 
good to hear he has a nice copper . coming out of DH is a good plus .
chooks man

Yes the majority of DH's offspring has lighter poor quality copper. Jolie helped to put better copper color on the few that have it out of that breeding. She isn't the best layer though so not many chicks from her.
 
Hi I have been reading along and learning a great deal. You guys are so respectful and generous with your knowledge ..its really helpful and encouraging to a newbie.
Could I ask- what is everyone's method of grouping your flock as they are growing? Hatch mates all together? Til what ages? Do you separate pullets from cockerels? At what ages? Do you ever mix all ages together? What age do you start putting breeding pairs together?
Have to figure out who to put where, and this will help me a great deal. Fall is here!

I brood multiple breeds of chicks together of various ages. My rule of thumb is to keep birds brooded with similar sized birds so no one gets bullied or trampled. Once they are completely feathered and off chick feed they are turned out with the rest of the flock and integrate on their own. They have plenty of space to move away but they all work it out and co-exist. The older birds and this years offspring eat fine together. You will see some shows of dominance especially at feeding time but it is harmless and just their way of keeping the pecking order established.

I have brooded chicks of various sizes before but you have to make sure the older ones aren't mean to the younger ones. Just keep a watchful eye on them. Marans tend to be a very peaceful breed.
 
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this girl is very solid .gorgeous and correct body type .good strong head on her . small comb .
the best trait she has is strong bones /good head .great stand .good mass .

what color egg she hatch from?
I like her a lot . she will part nicely with cockerel #1 . she has mass/size .he has color = they will throw a lot correct looking BCM progeny .

chooks man
I am really, really confused. I have never seen a hen with this much color on her chest. I thought the copper on the hen was supposed to be in the hackle feathers and only the hackle feathers. The #1 cockerel has much more copper in the chest than I ever thought was accepted in the SOP for a cock. I thought a SOP cockerel was supposed to have a 99% black chest. I know he is not for show, just breeder. If these two are bred together would not all the cockerels be culls. I know nothing and now I know even less now!
If we are breeding for body type and only body type in this pairing, then what do we do with all the culls. It just seems like too much cooper!! Please explain?
 
I am really, really confused. I have never seen a hen with this much color on her chest. I thought the copper on the hen was supposed to be in the hackle feathers and only the hackle feathers. The #1 cockerel has much more copper in the chest than I ever thought was accepted in the SOP for a cock. I thought a SOP cockerel was supposed to have a 99% black chest. I know he is not for show, just breeder. If these two are bred together would not all the cockerels be culls. I know nothing and now I know even less now!
If we are breeding for body type and only body type in this pairing, then what do we do with all the culls. It just seems like too much cooper!! Please explain?

The USA SOP for BCMs call for a solid black breast or with a few copper spots for both Cock and Hen. Generally copper spotting of 10% or less is acceptable.

As for the Line #2 Pullets, they do not express a full rich copper hackle so they are carrying quite a bit of Melanin. I believe the thinking is that a mating of the Line #1 Cockerel (full rich copper, good red shoulder) over the Line #2 Pullets will produce female progeny with more mass and better copper hackles. I agree that a lot of culls may be produced but then again it seems most pairings produce a lot of culls anyway.
 
I am really, really confused. I have never seen a hen with this much color on her chest. I thought the copper on the hen was supposed to be in the hackle feathers and only the hackle feathers. The #1 cockerel has much more copper in the chest than I ever thought was accepted in the SOP for a cock. I thought a SOP cockerel was supposed to have a 99% black chest. I know he is not for show, just breeder. If these two are bred together would not all the cockerels be culls. I know nothing and now I know even less now!
If we are breeding for body type and only body type in this pairing, then what do we do with all the culls. It just seems like too much cooper!! Please explain?

I said we only keeping
these 2 pullets have a little gold on they hackle ,they should be paired with cockerel#1 = only keeping pullets from this pairing .because pullets will not inherit the gold hues from they dams .they only get they sire gorgeous copper .

they have better tails than group #1 .
you have a good ingredient to breed some stunning BCM line in the future .colorful cockerel #1 and big solid pullets #2 . let them pass a year old and start breeding from them .don t rush thing up . let them mature so they will breed properly .


chooks man

agree with @kcrandall
The USA SOP for BCMs call for a solid black breast or with a few copper spots for both Cock and Hen. Generally copper spotting of 10% or less is acceptable.

As for the Line #2 Pullets, they do not express a full rich copper hackle so they are carrying quite a bit of Melanin. I believe the thinking is that a mating of the Line #1 Cockerel (full rich copper, good red shoulder) over the Line #2 Pullets will produce female progeny with more mass and better copper hackles. I agree that a lot of culls may be produced but then again it seems most pairings produce a lot of culls anyway.

chooks man
 
I am really, really confused. I have never seen a hen with this much color on her chest. I thought the copper on the hen was supposed to be in the hackle feathers and only the hackle feathers. The #1 cockerel has much more copper in the chest than I ever thought was accepted in the SOP for a cock. I thought a SOP cockerel was supposed to have a 99% black chest. I know he is not for show, just breeder. If these two are bred together would not all the cockerels be culls. I know nothing and now I know even less now!
If we are breeding for body type and only body type in this pairing, then what do we do with all the culls. It just seems like too much cooper!! Please explain?

first I have to clear 99% of chest should be black .not true .not the original SOP .few newby are trying to make thing up .

BCM SOP call for black chest with a random coppery marking no percentage ,
a breeder is the one who decide how much copper BCM rooster should have on his chest .
if the breeder has a darker hens ,than he/she need a lot copper on the chest .
if the breeder has over colored hen ,than he/she will select dark chest BCM rooster .
all depend on balancing a breeding pens .

if we showing than will be different story .but we are selecting our breeding to fix the faults our hens are carrying .

if you look at cockerel #1 sisters .you can see they have a complete hackle marking . very hard to breed that type of hackle if the Rooster has a black chest .

problem with BCM population is .they are too dark .vry hard to find pullets/hens with a complete hackle marking .

I will explain it with detail when I have time .

chooks man
 

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