International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[kcrandall]

Yeah RedBank we know you guys down in Florida never see the cold .

Ah the white on the feather ?
there is 3 type of parasitic white on the Black /blue strain =

1- complete white feather manly in the wings area or the tail . nasty thing to have .,hard to bred out need a great numbre of progeny from at lease one correct parent
2- white color on the black feathers , wings .tail ,and body too . fixable but recessive genes.
3- white under fluff - moderate to deal with . need at lease one super dark parent .

true color of the rooster is after the second molt 18/24 month .
so what you see now is his true genetic make up .no just a youth vigor

chooks man

Chooks Man,

In breeding to eliminate the white feather is there a preference that the "correct" or "super dark" parent be a Coq or Hen? Or does it not matter. We've discussed that our preference should be to breed from the most colorful Coq even if his type is not as good as a less colorful Coq of excellent type. As I type this I realize by most colorful we are probably assuming that the white feather is not an issue in the Coq but I digress.

Under the premise that color comes from the Coq and type from the Hen then my thinking is that if we use a dark Coq then we are creating another problem in breeding all black females but if we use an all black Hen then the odds are we can retain the proper color pattern in our females while trying to resolve the white issue. I believe I remember reading that an all black Hen bred to a Coq with less than desirable copper hackles should improve the copper color in the male progeny. If so, I would think the same would hold true for the white feather issue. Let me know if I am over thinking this.

Thanks,
Keith

 

[Bantambird]

Here is the cockerel I kept from last spring breeding group, from the birchen Marans thread. It is mostly dead, so I thought I would ask what you thought about this one. This one has no sprigs, I culled all the spring boys but still have the daddy Jake

here is daddy Jake with two ladies. Jake has sprigs on the blade of his comb, but he does have offspring without them. I am culling them carefully, but keeping Jake because he's just the best darn alpha rooster I've ever had.

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: The LP rooster has the second choice. #2

 

[Red Banks]

Quote: Thanks Keith...... we are always hopeful or we wouldn't do this at all!

 

[Red Banks]

Here is the cockerel I kept from last spring breeding group, from the birchen Marans thread. It is mostly dead, so I thought I would ask what you thought about this one. This one has no sprigs, I culled all the spring boys but still have the daddy Jake
here is daddy Jake with two ladies. Jake has sprigs on the blade of his comb, but he does have offspring without them. I am culling them carefully, but keeping Jake because he's just the best darn alpha rooster I've ever had.

Combs come from the hen side. Sounds like you are on the right track with Jake. Because we are trying to breed out problems and stay with the SOP we are learning with good mentors how to overcome short comings in our birds. Glad you posted.... there is a lot of good information here and we have phenomenal participation from everyone.

 

[Chooks man]

Quote:
I was complaining about 38/40 D C today reached 44 DC at 5 pm with 17% humidity . it is now7.17pm and the Temperature is 42.2 with 18% humidity . I recon this is hell described by the bible/coran/ and all the other holly books . tomorrow we are expecting 36/38 chance of thunder storm in a evening . WOW .this chooks are hardy . I m impressed by them . chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

any way let focus on the positive side of the chooks life.

17 chicks hatched last night .
the number are rising passed a 150 chicks .well pleased

here few photos of them a lot cuckoos black and blue . Charlie2 the sire is super fertile 9 hatched out of 10 .compare to the useless Birchen rooster Erikson2 0 out 7 this time and 12 last time .he is going a make a good dinner for my Greek friend .he ll be happy to roast him .

Vivking2 is back with a birchen hens .all good .

 

[Chooks man]

Here is the cockerel I kept from last spring breeding group, from the birchen Marans thread. It is mostly dead, so I thought I would ask what you thought about this one. This one has no sprigs, I culled all the spring boys but still have the daddy Jake
here is daddy Jake with two ladies. Jake has sprigs on the blade of his comb, but he does have offspring without them. I am culling them carefully, but keeping Jake because he's just the best darn alpha rooster I've ever had.

Thank you for posting your lovely Birchen marans . love the hackle on the pullet.

Jake is lovely too .nice pure silver and great body type .his lancet and back seem to me a little straw colored .is that from the sun or is actually darker than his hackle .

the cockerel you choosed is too yellow not as pure as his father Jake .

the silver is harder to breed than a side sprig .

when come to cockerels always choose the best colored one over any body else . color is from the rooster ,body type from mama hen .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Chooks Man,

In breeding to eliminate the white feather is there a preference that the "correct" or "super dark" parent be a Coq or Hen? Or does it not matter. We've discussed that our preference should be to breed from the most colorful Coq even if his type is not as good as a less colorful Coq of excellent type. As I type this I realize by most colorful we are probably assuming that the white feather is not an issue in the Coq but I digress.

Under the premise that color comes from the Coq and type from the Hen then my thinking is that if we use a dark Coq then we are creating another problem in breeding all black females but if we use an all black Hen then the odds are we can retain the proper color pattern in our females while trying to resolve the white issue. I believe I remember reading that an all black Hen bred to a Coq with less than desirable copper hackles should improve the copper color in the male progeny. If so, I would think the same would hold true for the white feather issue. Let me know if I am over thinking this.

Thanks,
Keith

I did not say a Black rooster or hen .
I said dark one .what I mean is a true dark Black under fluff not grey/.as adult and pure black with less white when chick . NOT Penguiny

all parasitic stuff are not actually gene but the accumulation of many left over from the chromosome splitting .

only way to eliminate it you need one parent without any presence of white after the second molt . there is not other way .

parasitic coloration exist in all type of chooks variety

chooks man

 

[Red Banks]

I was complaining about 38/40 D C today reached 44 DC at 5 pm with 17% humidity .

it is now7.17pm and the Temperature is 42.2 with 18% humidity .

I recon this is hell described by the bible/coran/ and all the other holly books .

tomorrow we are expecting 36/38 chance of thunder storm in a evening .

WOW .this chooks are hardy . I m impressed by them .

chooks man

I have survived this kind of weather..... it is called Arizona. My last month there it never went below 48C/120F, What are your winters like? I liked Arizona weather very much. Much healthier than Florida.

Glad the chicks are thriving. It is all your good care.