International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[chickengr]

keep this huge pullet please .
she ll help you to breed marans with a excellent body mass .

chooks man

all this year's marans are keepers. I need a flock before I start culling (not killing!).

I have a few ladies in black with better weight than my primula (the big one). but my boys have copper ear tufts and even some golden shade in hackles so they look like perfect match.

talking about white earlobes, I am going to breed pullets (3 of them) with my red earlobes boys. the next generation I will keep the red earlobes only. does it mean that in the future all the chicks should have red earlobes or I need more years (how many) before I completely get rid of it?

 

[chickengr]

I have been waiting all morning to hear! Maybe you will make your goal of 6! I of course think it will be 9!

I am praying for 9

 

[dvoice]

Have a heck of a time choosing cockerels to keep. These are approx 4 months old. Best comb no feathers on legs. Next best kinda scrawny looking. Here are a few that colour and body mass and tail are decent on but all have flaws with combs.the outside pic,roo is standing on Right leg, that’s why u see no feathers, left is tucked up. He’s 3 months older than all the rest.

 

[Red Banks]

View attachment 1182592 View attachment 1182593 View attachment 1182591 View attachment 1182596 View attachment 1182595 Have a heck of a time choosing cockerels to keep. These are approx 4 months old. Best comb no feathers on legs. Next best kinda scrawny looking. Here are a few that colour and body mass and tail are decent on but all have flaws with combs.the outside pic,roo is standing on Right leg, that’s why u see no feathers, left is tucked up. He’s 3 months older than all the rest.

Love the cockerel with the hen. All look good but the pics aren't the best for being able to tell much. Combs don't matter, that comes from the hen. Feathered legs don't matter it can be fixed with one generation. I put feathered legs on OEs. I think you have some really good cockerels. If you want more of a description post pics of each, side, front and back, please number each cockerel. We love describing them if we have good pics.

 

[Chooks man]

Love the cockerel with the hen. All look good but the pics aren't the best for being able to tell much. Combs don't matter, that comes from the hen. Feathered legs don't matter it can be fixed with one generation. I put feathered legs on OEs. I think you have some really good cockerels. If you want more of a description post pics of each, side, front and back, please number each cockerel. We love describing them if we have good pics.

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chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

@aart

this cockerel eyes are great. there is a little marbling in there but a little .not a problem .
the darkness of the comb is not a problem ,has to do with a weather .
his comb has a double point in two spots , front of the comb between the first little point and the second . the second double point ( M style) on the last large point .
I still like the shape and the texture of the comb .
the hen/hens you are going to mate him too ,they should not have any double point on they comb , other wise you end up in trouble in the future .

love to see the photos of the hen/hens you have in mind to pen him with .
this guy daughters will be colorful even mated to a black hen .

chooks man

 

[aart]

@aart

this cockerel eyes are great. there is a little marbling in there but a little .not a problem .
the darkness of the comb is not a problem ,has to do with a weather .

love to see the photos of the hen/hens you have in mind to pen him with .
this guy daughters will be colorful even mated to a black hen .

chooks man

Thanks.
Lack of circulation in the cold maybe? That's normal?
He may well lose some points this winter here in my climate.

I do have a full BCM pullet, and a BCM Mix, will try to get pics.
They both have decent color(for my purposes) in eggs,
but the BCM went broodyish and hasn't laid since.

He is for an Olive Egger project over CCL and blue laying EE's,
rather than than SOP BCM.
I will hatch out some BCM too tho.

Not great, don't have a chart:

 

[Chooks man]

all this year's marans are keepers. I need a flock before I start culling (not killing!).

I have a few ladies in black with better weight than my primula (the big one). but my boys have copper ear tufts and even some golden shade in hackles so they look like perfect match.

talking about white earlobes, I am going to breed pullets (3 of them) with my red earlobes boys. the next generation I will keep the red earlobes only. does it mean that in the future all the chicks should have red earlobes or I need more years (how many) before I completely get rid of it?

my dear friend ,you need more one year to get ready of the white earlobe from your flock if they are a carriers .
agree with you if you mate your red earlobe cockerel to a 3 pullets ( carriers of the white earlobe) most of they progeny will have a red earlobe . but some of them will be a carriers .

here how you do it if you want to get ready of it for good .will take you about 3 minimum breeding years .
1) YEAR1; mate your cockerel Red earlobe to the 3 pullets = F1
2)YEAR2: a) select the best red earlobe pullets and mate them back to they Sire = BC1a ( first back cross) all of them will have a red earlobe ,but some will be carriers of a small degree of the white earlobe gene but they ll not show it .

b) select the best red earlobe cockerel from the F1 and mate him to his Dam and aunts = BC1b. most of them will have a red earlobe .

3) YEAR3 : a) now you need to mate the BC1a between them selves = F2 bc1a .most of this progeny will have a red earlobe and will breed true for this trait ( they are your keepers) .few may show the atavistic return of the recessive gene of the white earlobe ( all cull ).
b) you need to mate as well the BC1b red earlobe between them selves ( same as you done with the BC1a) =F2 bc1b all red earlobe . few will have a recessive white ( cull ).

4) YEAR 4 : Now you ll start your 2 new line and breed them separately forever .
PEN 1: best cockerel from the F2 bc1a mated to the best pullets from F2 bc1b = line A.
PEN 2: best cockerel from the F2 bc1b mated to the best pullets from the F2 bc1a= line B

by this time you ll have 2 pure BCM line breeding true for the red earlobe 100% , none of them will be a carriers .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

Thanks.
Lack of circulation in the cold maybe? That's normal?
He may well lose some points this winter here in my climate.

I do have a full BCM pullet, and a BCM Mix, will try to get pics.
They both have decent color(for my purposes) in eggs,
but the BCM went broodyish and hasn't laid since.

He is for an Olive Egger project over CCL and blue laying EE's,
rather than than SOP BCM.
I will hatch out some BCM too tho.

Not great, don't have a chart:
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very nice eggs color .
Bravo
good luck with your project .

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

@dvoice

this cockerel has a show quality comb and wattle .
his comb has the right number of point 5( if you are breeding to the USA SOP) if you are breeding to the original french thatn the number of point is not an issue . not specified .
plus the back of the comb is well lifted from the head ,no touching .
his wattle and faultless .great shape and form ,free from any folding .

chooks man