International Black Copper Marans Thread - Breeding to the SOP

[Chooks man]

They are big robust gals, but those high fanned tails are what I was avoiding carrying forward. I may use them to breed olive eggers.

the tail genes inheritance is very complex . too many genes involved not just 2 genes one from Dam and one from the sire . there is more to it .

here an example with my Splash line .
Sire = Samir .great body type and exellent tail ,shape /form /length and angle
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Dam Sari ,great body type and great tail .
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all they pullets progeny inherited the nice pointed tail but not all the cockerels .
many cockerel with a high tail
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chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

@Chooks man any news from your greek friend?

he said he ll speak to his sister .
she goes to Greece every 2 month .she run s a business in Europe .

let wait and see what she ll say .

fingers cross

chooks man

 

[Chooks man]

@ Dvoice
I see a dent on the left hand side of the base of his comb . look to me like the start of a side sprig .Or just a light reflection/

chooks man

 

[dvoice]

@ Dvoice
I see a dent on the left hand side of the base of his comb . look to me like the start of a side sprig .Or just a light reflection/

chooks man

I believe it’s just the light but will check when I get home next. Ty

 

[Bantambird]

Marans cockerels don't show their true colors until at least 6-8 months, and some closer to a year. You can have a cockerel with perfect tail angle at 5 months that has a 90 degree tail angle by 8 months. They change so much as they mature. You can normally tell a lot about how a pullet is going to look type/tail angle wise by the time she reaches point of lay. A pullet's color is usually in as good as it's going to get by 5-6 months.

Marans roosters can have a difficult time keeping a large number of females bred. If your males are running with your layer flock, your Marans pullets may or may not get fertilized adequately because the males have too many females to service. If you have 2 roosters in a pen with your Marans pullets, there will be controversy as both males mature. There will always be a power struggle to be top dog. You only need one male per breeder pen. Plus you want to know which male sired your chicks. Also, two males means twice the mating which can wear on your females. I think I've been told that 3-4 females is a good number per male in a pen. Any more than that and the male may not adequately mate them all.

Also separating your males at this point will allow your underdog cockerel #2 to "cock up" and develop faster. Subordinate males tend to have their masculine features muted for longer in the presence of a dominate male. Their comb and wattles stay smaller and they may carry their posture/tail lower than they would if they were the only rooster.

Last spring, Jake covered about 25 hens, both my cream Legbars and his own Birchen Marans group. He was three years old at that point, and quite proud of himself. He even had most of the turkeys cowed. Quite the ladies man.

 

[ScottandSam]

Marans cockerels don't show their true colors until at least 6-8 months, and some closer to a year. You can have a cockerel with perfect tail angle at 5 months that has a 90 degree tail angle by 8 months. They change so much as they mature. You can normally tell a lot about how a pullet is going to look type/tail angle wise by the time she reaches point of lay. A pullet's color is usually in as good as it's going to get by 5-6 months.

Marans roosters can have a difficult time keeping a large number of females bred. If your males are running with your layer flock, your Marans pullets may or may not get fertilized adequately because the males have too many females to service. If you have 2 roosters in a pen with your Marans pullets, there will be controversy as both males mature. There will always be a power struggle to be top dog. You only need one male per breeder pen. Plus you want to know which male sired your chicks. Also, two males means twice the mating which can wear on your females. I think I've been told that 3-4 females is a good number per male in a pen. Any more than that and the male may not adequately mate them all.

Also separating your males at this point will allow your underdog cockerel #2 to "cock up" and develop faster. Subordinate males tend to have their masculine features muted for longer in the presence of a dominate male. Their comb and wattles stay smaller and they may carry their posture/tail lower than they would if they were the only rooster.

Thanks so much.
Ok 1 more question for now if I put the males in separate pens but side by side is this going to slow down the underdogs development? Better if they can't see each other?
Thanks Scott

 

[Red Banks]

They are big robust gals, but those high fanned tails are what I was avoiding carrying forward. I may use them to breed olive eggers.

I believe that would be a waste. Remember we are creating what we want with what we have. The only time I tell someone to get rid of/choose one is when they ask. When they say I am going to just keep one. We have a lot of fine birds on this thread, I don't see any that I would throw away.

 

[Red Banks]

I told RedBank I m always alright when we talking marans .Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Comb come from the Rooster too .not sex linked ,autossomal .

chooks man

 

[KF0002]

Queen's first egg!

 

[KF0002]

I believe that would be a waste. Remember we are creating what we want with what we have. The only time I tell someone to get rid of/choose one is when they ask. When they say I am going to just keep one. We have a lot of fine birds on this thread, I don't see any that I would throw away.

If their egg color is nice I may use them. They're not going anywhere, I will keep them. They're just not in my immediate single mating plans for now.